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From London to Paris - .. and the winner is!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-06-2007 20:44
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if you guys are so impatient, the last thing you should be doing is looking at this thread 
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 13-06-2007 20:46
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:13
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I'll post the two last stages tomorrow. |
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
I'll post the two last stages tomorrow.
Okay looking forward to it  hopefully with some great screens too
Have a question: How much does "form of the day" influence on a riders performance ?  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:30
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CrueTrue wrote:
I'll post the two last stages tomorrow.
if it's not too much to ask. when you play them, can you try to keep observing someone?
I'd like to know if the AI attacks even if it's not feeling well(more likely), or if Valverde's was a one-off
thanks in advance
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:39
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issoisso: Okay.. I'll ask F. Schleck to keep a close eye on someone. He will probably be able to hang on for a longer time.
Enqlebass: Actually, I think it has a very realistic influence. If you have -5 you're lucky if you can hang on.
Before this story I played a mountain stage. Sastre had a really bad day (-4), so when he tried to counter-attack Vinokourov he couldn't hang on. He had to let go of the group and fell back to the group behind him. He could hang on to this one, but was in no way able to attack from it or take long relays. |
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:46
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CrueTrue wrote:
Enqlebass: Actually, I think it has a very realistic influence. If you have -5 you're lucky if you can hang on.
Before this story I played a mountain stage. Sastre had a really bad day (-4), so when he tried to counter-attack Vinokourov he couldn't hang on. He had to let go of the group and fell back to the group behind him. He could hang on to this one, but was in no way able to attack from it or take long relays.
OKay thanks for the answer hehe sounds really good actually. But is it by coincidence which "form of the day" your rider has or how do they measure it ?
e.g. how do "the game" decide whether Sastre should have (+5) or (-5) on the stage ? |
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| cmfos |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:47
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It'll be interesting to see if your form of the day is influenced by how much effort you exerted the previous day. So if you go all out and get to 4 red bars, perhaps your form of the day will suck the next day? That would be nice if Cyanide constructs it that way because then you would have to be even more strategic with your riders in the grand tours.
As usual Mike, thanks so much for all of your information and posting your little story. It does help to outline the new features and it certainly whets the appetite of the prospective buyer (like me B)) |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:54
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I don't know how it's measured. I could imagine that it's all coincidence, but I honestly don't know. Haven't played enough to know that.
cmfos: Thanks. Did I manage to convince you to buy the game then?  |
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 13-06-2007 21:57
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CrueTrue wrote:
I don't know how it's measured. I could imagine that it's all coincidence, but I honestly don't know. Haven't played enough to know that.
cmfos: Thanks. Did I manage to convince you to buy the game then?
Okay thanks anyway.. and thx for the great work you're doing for all us impatient PCM gamers hehe |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-06-2007 22:08
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cmfos wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if your form of the day is influenced by how much effort you exerted the previous day. So if you go all out and get to 4 red bars, perhaps your form of the day will suck the next day? That would be nice if Cyanide constructs it that way because then you would have to be even more strategic with your riders in the grand tours.
in the 2006 version that was implemented. that's what the recovery stat was for.
the higher the stat, the less likely that a big effort would cause their recovery (the pre-stage indication, not the stat) to drop from the previous day.
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 13-06-2007 22:10
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CT do the riders who fall out from the main group form in to mini groups down the mountain, it says that on the information page. |
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 13-06-2007 22:27
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The form of the day thing sounds really good I just really hope that it isn't by coincidence whether your rider has good legs or not. It shouldn't be a coincidence that decides whether you'll win the tour or you'll lose it. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-06-2007 22:52
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Enqlebass wrote:
The form of the day thing sounds really good I just really hope that it isn't by coincidence whether your rider has good legs or not. It shouldn't be a coincidence that decides whether you'll win the tour or you'll lose it.
many times it does in real life!
but I see your point, and from the ONE stage I've seen, it's looked good. I guess CrueTrue's next two stages will find out
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 13-06-2007 23:00
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issoisso wrote:
many times it does in real life!
but I see your point, and from the ONE stage I've seen, it's looked good. I guess CrueTrue's next two stages will find out
Sometimes it's a coincidence e.g. the Paris-Roubix but not that much in the Grand Tours.
Yes just looking forward to experience it myself in the demo-version.
- The new AI... How does it work - what is improved about it.
- The observation mode - is the function that important (not realistic though - you can't observe a rider like that IRL)
- The form of the day thing - is it just a coincidence which legs your rider has or is there more to it.
Definitely exciting new things
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| cmfos |
Posted on 14-06-2007 00:17
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issoisso wrote:
cmfos wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if your form of the day is influenced by how much effort you exerted the previous day. So if you go all out and get to 4 red bars, perhaps your form of the day will suck the next day? That would be nice if Cyanide constructs it that way because then you would have to be even more strategic with your riders in the grand tours.
in the 2006 version that was implemented. that's what the recovery stat was for.
the higher the stat, the less likely that a big effort would cause their recovery (the pre-stage indication, not the stat) to drop from the previous day.
Yah, i know. I'm just saying that it would be nice if the Cya people integrated this new form of the day idea with the recovery stat/red bar feature. I think that would be a much more elegant system rather than just having the form of the day be completely random.
Anyway, once I get my hands on the new game, I'll be able to check it out for myself. Oh and CT, i don't need any convincing about the game. I'll get it no matter what! |
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| imdbdk |
Posted on 14-06-2007 10:50
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I actually think it should be completely random. Think about how many riders have been in great form one day of the tour, just to lose 5 minutes the next day. Ex. Vinokourov is known for having stability problems.
Or maybe Cyanide should make a stability stat, so that some riders how in real life a very stable (ex Mancebo, Armstrong(couldn't come up with any current riders)) also are very stable in the game. |
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 14-06-2007 11:08
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Well, the two things do tend to have a certain coherence, but I guess it's mental as well as physical. Vino's stability problems have caused him to focus on stage wins rather than securing a top 5 instead of 6th or 7th overall. As Gibo said it after Zoncolan, winning that specific stage meant more to him than finishing in the top 3 of the GC. I guess the statement could be up for a debate, but...
The point I was trying to make, is: that a rider who drops off the leading group and realises that he'll lose a minut, might consider losing two and then be gunning for a stage victory later in the race. Saying - if this rider had a bad day, it does not necessarily make him more prone to have yet another day off. So - perhaps the form of the day really should be that element of chance, and perhaps great losses shape great riders.
Damn... Did that make any sense? |
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| cmfos |
Posted on 14-06-2007 13:36
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I should think there ought to be some element of randomness in form of the day. but a rider with good recovery I would expect to have more "good days" than "bad days" in the course of the tour.
the stability stat is an interesting idea because you could tie it to age and experience. The young guys would probably be more prone to having bad days because they are easily discouraged or overwhelmed by Pro competition, whereas seasoned pros who have been around for awhile would tend to be more stable. I don't expect this level of sophistication in the current game but it might be something for Cyanide to tinker with down the road. |
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 14-06-2007 13:49
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Stage 3? where is it? |
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