@Smowz
Both Van Genechten and De Marchi were suggested by sammy. So I guess you can blame him for Van Genechten but give him the credits for De Marchi too
Yeah seems like I overlooked Prades
And no problem, as a stats freak I cannot control myself in stuff like this Edited by Jesleyh on 18-01-2015 14:44
@SotD
Nah, instead, it seems that a lot of strong sprinters weren't in Pfft
Yeah, but even the TT and hilly riders seem to be 70+ SPR this year - It's fine by me, but not exactly normal, if that many riders are all above 70SPR despite not really being sprinters. The current riders that is strong when sprinting from a small group are 66-68 SPR
Personally I think guys suggesting riders and not giving them numbers is almost as good as suggesting no numbers at all. It really isn't that hard to put some numbers down I am sure SN will change anything that is gamebreaking, basically sifting through procyclingstats and putting some names down isn't actually saving SN that much work. He still has to go into the link and judge everything.
Well, when I do so, it isn't for SN to put in the effort to do it, but for the managers interested in adding some of them. I try to help those who are unable to find riders of a specific region of the world, so that they are actually named in the thread. I don't mind if any of those riders I have suggested (besides those I have specifically asked help for to setup proper) doesn't make it into the game. But some ask for help to find riders from this or that region, or that there aren't any spanish talents and stuff like that. So I just try to help, instead of primarily focussing on riders I would like to have myself.
An absolutely massive talent. Omnium World Champion on the Track as a 19 year old last year, eliciting comparisons to fellow Frenchman Bryan Coquard - comparisons backed up by his performances on the road. 2nd in La Cote Picarde where he won the sprint but was beaten by a lone breakaway, he then won the ZLM Tour by picking the right move in windy conditions and outsprinting everyone, after the lead group repeatedly attempted to avoid taking him to the finish. Placed well in the sprints at the Tour de Bretagne also. Hilly ability is fantastic, 15th in the Tour du Jura and in the lead group at the U23 WC. Most impressively though, was 4th in the European Championships RR, on a reasonably hilly course - won the group sprint, could have won outright without a teammate up the road. Can also Cobble decently - Top 20 at U23 Paris-Roubaix - and can TT fairly well also, with his track background and 7th in the French U23 TT last season. In my opinion, one of the biggest sprinting talents of recent seasons.
Latour shone as a stagiare with Ag2r in 2013 taking a very impressive 13th in the Giro dell'Emelia. Remained in the U23 ranks this season and was consistently one of the best climbers. 3rd in Lombardia U23, 6th in Avenir and a disappointing 17th in the Ronde de l'Isard after finishing 6th there in 2013. Also impressive in the later season, with 5th in the Tour des Pays Savoie and 9th in the Tour de l'Ain plus 3rd in the Tour du Jura. Seen as the next big French stage race prospect.
Another young French climber. Has some talent as evidenced by his 4th in the Tour de Alsace, including 2nd on the Grand Ballon stage. However, tends to prefer going in breaks - was 5th in KOM at Avenir, 7th in KOM at Pays Savoie.
Younger brother of the previously mentioned Jimmy, Anthony won U23 LBL last season and was also 3rd in the European Championships RR, showcasing his prowess on the hilly stuff as well as his aggression. Rides Cyclocross in the winter and has shown ability on the Cobbles with Top 25 in RVV and Paris-Roubaix U23 last season, plus 2nd in the Junior Paris-Roubaix in 2012.
Another French sprinter - and a very talented one at that. 3rd in the ZLM Tour an impressive result, as well as narrowly beating out Boudat to win the group sprint for 8th in the French U23 RR. Put together some impressive results in French stage races with 5 top 5s across the Tour de Gironde and Ronde de l'Oise. As a stagiare with FDJ he then mixed with the likes of Meersman and Alaphilippe in sprints on lumpy parcours in the Tour de l'Ain with a highlight of 2nd on Stage 1.
Came out of nowhere last season to finish 8th in Paris-Troyes, followed by Top 10s on two Mountain stages in Pays Savoie where he finished 16th overall. Then went to Avenir and took 9th overall while working for Latour including finishing in the Top 15 on every Mountain stage. Has shown well in TTs also and is a French LLS so to speak, good in stage races of varying difficulty due to his abilities both uphill and in TTs.
Another sprinter, but one I feel is overshadowed by Boudat and Sarreau. Did well in Bretagne, performing at a comparable level to Boudat there. As a FDJ stagiare he picked up a 3rd and a 6th in the Tour du Poitou-Charentes in a decent field as well as 12th in Paris-Bourges but doesn't have the headline results of his compatriots.
A puncheur with a nose for a break. 3rd in the French U23 NC RR, 3rd in a Ronde de l'Isard hilly stage and 3rd in a Tour de Alsace hilly stage - all from breaks. Also 11th overall in the Tour de Bretagne and 2nd in the Tour de Normandie KOM.
Edited by jph27 on 18-01-2015 20:10
Btw, if I were to add Latour this year it would be with a max of 78 or something - it's too soon after Lecuisinier to be adding another 80+ French Climber, given how few 80+ MO tend to be added. Better to wait and see imo. The same may apply to other 93/94/95 talents who are posted here.
Thanks for the heads up SN, completely understandable. Final ones from me now, 4 Sri Lankans with stats plus a few names who I couldn't find many details on but who are there if SN wants to add specific types of talents for Sri Lanka - there is a lack of Cobblers after all
Also known as Asela Sisira Kumara. From his results on cycling archives I was able to recreate the profiles of the stages, which show he won a flat stage in a sprint and a Mountain stage with a downhill finish after attacking. Earliest results from 2011 so estimated 1989 year of birth.
Possibly the best results of any Sri Lankan in the past couple of years, all coming on flat stages according to my profile recreations. First results in 2013 so estimated 1991 year of birth. Seeing as Sandakelum has 72SP I rated him better, with potential to improve due to young age.
Also known as Nidush Nirantha. Best result in Sri Lanka came on a flat stage with a hill near the finish, so put him as a Puncheur talent. Gave him a 1992 year of birth as he competed in the U23 Asian Championships this season.
Sri Lanka's sole representative in the U23 Asian Championships the last two years, improving from year to year. Put him as a TT talent with 1992 year of birth as a result.
The other members of last season's Asian Championships U23 squad and Nidush's brother from the 2013 squad are:
So here's some Americans who are big names here but you guys may not know about.
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Magner
Ty
69
55
63
64
68
70
65
60
74
73
67
70
68
USA
NA
2
0
3
5
1991
5
Butler
Chris
64
71
69
62
67
67
68
55
62
68
72
72
61
USA
NA
3
0
16
2
1988
4
McCabe
Travis
68
63
70
62
71
69
70
60
74
74
72
72
73
USA
NA
3
0
12
5
1989
4
Swirbul
Keegan
60
69
66
62
66
67
68
55
61
66
65
63
62
USA
NA
1
0
2
9
1995
6
Kyer
Julian
67
72
74
74
68
69
67
55
64
68
73
68
67
USA
NA
4
0
15
5
1988
4
Ty Magner: Good sprinter, won U23 criterium nationals a while back. Top-5's and some wins in a ton of big criteriums here, including 4th in a stage of the tour of Colorado. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider....?id=139071
Travis McCabe: Sprinter who is strong in the hills as well. 2nd at USA pro road race nationals this year in a small bunch sprint. Also won a stage of the Cascade Cycling Classic, a big pro race here with a lot of climbing. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...vis_Mccabe
Keegan Swirbul: Neo-Pro on the Bissell development team this year, comes from a mountain biking background. Super talented pure climber. Got a lot of podiums and wins in hill climbs in Colorado, placed 2nd at U23 nationals in the road race. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...an_Swirbul
Julian Kyer: All-rounder. He wins hill climbs/TT's/road races. Probably best at hilly stuff. Top-10 in the GC at Cascade this year, 11th in the tour of Colorado. 5th in the nats road race and 4th in the TT. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...ulian_Kyer
And here's some Swiss guys. Thanks sammyt93 for your input. I really don't know anything about them aside from their PCS pages, so these estimates are very rough and you can do whatever you'd like with altering them.
Roland Thalmann: Looks like a decent hilly classic prospect as he has some good results at a young age. Could be a good classics prospect as Switzerland is definitely in need of those. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...d_Thalmann
Kim Magnusson: Don´t actually know that much about him, but according to the info on the team site he prefer to ride when it´s hill/mountains so guess he can develop to a helper there. Best result so far would be 8th in Swedish National 2014 & 24th in the European championship U23 in 2014. Don´t have a clue what would be rightful stats for him...
Thought about suggesting Marcus FÃ¥glum Karlsson aswell but was hoping he would do great result this year IRL so that he would get better stats when added next year But saw that Jesleyh already mentioned him.
I don't know if he have already been suggested, but if not I really think this guy should be implemented as one of the better talents in the game:
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Age
Potential
Gaviria
Fernando
74
61
67
71
76
71
76
58
81
82
68
70
77
COL
SA
4
100
19
8
1994
20
6
Last season he got 7th in the Colombian U23 TT and 6th in the U23 RR. Since then he have improved drastically, though winning the Panamerican Championships, 3 times top 5 on flat stages in Tour de l'Avenir, including no. 2 in the points competition behind Davide Martinelli. Then he went on to finish 20th in the U23 WC RR, showing that he can survive tough stages, and then ending off the season being 4th and 2nd respectively in the RR and TT of the Central American and Caribbean Games.
Despite those results not saying that he is a top talent, this years results does! In Tour de San Luis he won the first two flat stages ahead of riders such as Mark Cavendish, Sacha Modolo, Yauheni Hutarovich, Eduard Grosu, Yohann Gene, Marco Canola and Armindo Fonseca. Imo, showing that off at the age of 20 shows a lot of promise, and he needs to be atleast 80 SPR.
I think he needs to start at level 2, looking at what he can do ATM. That would make him 74SPR and 76ACC atm, and 68 FL, which would make him a nice leadout sprinter in the CT or PCT already.
I hope this is done correctly. If so, I might try with a few more when I find these.
I considered to mention him as well here.
Then thought, he is still very young and it might be better to wait for next year.
JJ Haedo is already declining.
Forero and Richeze only have one more year on top level.
So adding him now would guarantee having a decent sprinter after those are no longer of big value. Then again I think 80+ is questionable anyway. Would make it similar to those 79-80 sprinters and allow more room for training.
roturn wrote:
I considered to mention him as well here.
Then thought, he is still very young and it might be better to wait for next year.
JJ Haedo is already declining.
Forero and Richeze only have one more year on top level.
So adding him now would guarantee having a decent sprinter after those are no longer of big value. Then again I think 80+ is questionable anyway. Would make it similar to those 79-80 sprinters and allow more room for training.
It might be better to put him down as a 79 sprinter, but IMO there aren't any colombian sprinters and while Forero is an 80 sprinter he never produced any results remotely close to what this young rider have already done. And he is 31 so he will soon go back. Casteñada is a decent PCT sprinter (nothing more) but not very versatile, so he will probably not get a lot of good results. And looking through the DB I don't really find any colombian sprinters worth mentioning. There are Angarita (Pot 78SPR) and Edwin Avila (Pot 78SPR). Seeing as Leonardo Duque is already gone, and Forero is worthless by the time this guy is developped, I think 80 or 81 is fine.
I can live with 79 though, and I don't plan on buying him myself
There's certainly a hole in the DB for a strong Colombian sprinter, especially with a few South American teams around, and there always being a lot of interest in Colombain riders.
I will try to make the greek riders listed up in a more decent way. I am sorry that I am going to overpower some of them, but I think you said something about them not necessarily having to be realistic, and seeing as I would really love to make my team 50/50 greek, I am going to suggest some stats that is not realistic. So you can give or take some stats if you find it unreasonable.
Georgios Bouglas is the first rider I will suggest - He is already in the DB, but I would like him to change a bit in order to have a backup once Tzortzakis is going down in stats. Tzortzakis will be 30 next season (when he is finally maxed), then he will have two seasons on his max, before declining again. So I would like it if Bouglas could max out the season after, and be somewhat similar.
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Potential
Bouglas
Georgios
73
63
68
58
73
66
74
55
81
79
61
67
58
GRE
EU
4
100
17
11
1990
5
The stats are basically the same as he has now, except that I have given him +4 SPR and +1ACC. That will make him slightly slower than Tzortzakis, but seeing as he is slightly better in flat and hills I guess that will be almost similar. And with him being much younger he can be trained a bit aswell if I feel like it.
So all it takes is to give him 72/72 SPR/ACC. Everything else adds up.
Apostolos Bouglas is the older brother, but quite similar. I realize that he shouldn't be as strong, so perhaps he could overtake the stats that Georgios Bouglas has at the moment and then give him POT 4 instead of POT 5, and make him level 2 instead of level 1. That way he loses 1 sprint and 1 resistance making him 77SPR and 77ACC
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Potential
Bouglas
Apostolos
73
63
68
58
73
65
74
55
77
77
61
67
58
GRE
EU
4
100
16
03
1989
4
As Greece have a top TT'er I won't fit in another, and as there is a 75HI and a potential 75HI rider, I guess it isn't the time to ask for a new one there either, so instead I will ask for a climber and a cobbler, as the best cobbler is Vlatos who is 68, and he will never be better. The best greek climber is 72MO and is on his way to retire. Kastrantas can be 74, but then he won't be a 75HI rider. And the climbers that have been there can't TT at all, making them very limited in use, even as helpers, in the PT. So...
Ioannis Spanopoulos. Is actually more of a TT'er than a climber, but seems to be holding on decently in the mountains, so I was thinking something similar to Tim Dees, whom I already have in my team. He is rather useless, but from time to time he pops up to take a top 5 in a stage, and he is good enough to take as a domestique for the bigger races.
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Potential
Spanopoulos
Ioannis
69
74
72
76
74
73
72
54
60
64
66
62
73
GRE
EU
4
100
20
5
1993
4
I have deducted some points in flat, resistance and prologue, as I feel there is no need to make him a strong rider, but merely a helper. Also, I have made him level 4 instead of Tim Dees who was level 6.
The other "climber" I want to add is Stylianos Farantakis, who is much more of a climber, although also a pretty good TT'er. Not as good as Spanopoulos though. I have always dreamt of a greek rider with stats like Leopold König, Daniel Teklehaimanot and riders like that. Also, I have noticed, that there are very few 77MO riders in the DB compared to the amount of 76MO riders. I have used König as a platform, but made him a bit worse, as I know König is a huge talent IRL. But I would love to have a greek GC rider I could spend some money, and time, on instead of training riders such as Spilak:
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Potential
Farantakis
Stylianos
70
77
74
73
74
75
73
57
65
72
66
70
73
GRE
EU
4
100
25
5
1995
5
These two are young, and should start at level 1.00 I think.
On to the cobbled riders. I would, yet again, like two riders - One with some talent, and one who is a decent, perhaps more versatile, helper.
Georgios Karatzios, is already in the Database, and I'm going to use his talents as a premise, just tweaking a bit here and there, to make him a decent cobbles domestique:
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Potential
Karatzios
Georgios
74
58
72
59
73
68
66
75
60
65
62
61
59
GRE
EU
4
100
7
11
1990
4
I have started out by changing his potential from 2 to 4, to make his stats improve at all - Then I have changed his hilly stat to 67 making him max out at 75HI if you decide to train him like that, and 72HI if you make him a classic rider. Then I have tweaked his cobbled stat to 68 instead of 56, which will make him a 75COB rider. Finally I have given him 66END, and 66RES and 63ACC. That way he will be useful in the lower ranks as a pretty poor leader, and will be a decent 3rd or 4th tier in a cobbled squad in the PT.
And finally, like the sprints, TT's and mountains, I would like a "leader" in the cobbled appartment. I have given him 77, but have tried to make him less versatile than Karatzios to give it a more balanced touch.
I hope this is OK. I know they are overpowered, basically all of them, but I hope it is not game breaking in anyway. I have looked entirely into what I would like to have. I would like to have a better HI rider aswell, but as there are already two with 75 or potenital 75, I guess that is enough. But as it is on the low side of useful in the PT, I would like the others to be a bit better. So to supplement Tzortzakis going out and to have a cobbler and mountainer in the game, I have tried to make something that is not completely out of hand, yet they are much better her, than in the real life. The alternative, of course, is that I keep chasing french riders, as there are a lot of "similar" french types
EDIT:
And to make it more "eatable"...
Last name
First name
FL
MO
HI
TT
END
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
Country
Continent
XP Level
XP Points
Day
Month
Year
Potential
Bouglas
Georgios
73
63
68
58
73
66
74
55
81
79
61
67
58
GRE
EU
4
100
17
11
1990
5
Bouglas
Apostolos
73
63
68
58
73
65
74
55
77
77
61
67
58
GRE
EU
4
100
16
03
1989
4
Spanopoulos
Ioannis
69
74
72
76
74
73
72
54
60
64
66
62
73
GRE
EU
4
100
20
5
1993
4
Farantakis
Stylianos
70
77
74
73
74
75
73
57
65
72
66
70
73
GRE
EU
4
100
25
5
1995
5
Karatzios
Georgios
74
58
72
59
73
68
66
75
60
65
62
61
59
GRE
EU
4
100
7
11
1990
4
Antoniadis
Dimitrios
74
58
64
68
75
71
68
77
65
69
71
70
68
GRE
EU
4
100
29
7
1992
5
The other posts I have made on greek riders can be ignored...
Edited by SotD on 22-01-2015 21:52
About Odd Christian Eiking, Alakagom summed it up nicely in post #4 in this thread thinking of written text. Only thing being his first name is Odd Christian and not the other way around, and that he's currently a better rider on hills compared to mountains. He's quite clear about it himself in all interviews he gave last year, especially those related to Valle d'Aosta where he was in a league of his own on the hill they used for the final TT, which also featured as the final on the last road stage, but struggled more on the longer climbs where he was about as strong as Lunke was.
Alakagom wrote nicely about Sindre Lunke in post #4 of this thread as well, but opposite to Eiking, he clearly prefers the long and endless mountains. That's also where he's at his best.
Andreas Vangstad is on this list because I saw SotD suggest him. Thus, this is a realistic proposal of his stats, but I also feel he could do well with waiting another year, as 2014 was his first year where he competed outside Norway in UCI races.
Åsmund Romstad Løvik had a short, but decent season. Short because his team had to stop due to financial reasons, decent because he made a note of himself in the Norwegian races. In the NC, he ended 7th, being the only one from his team able to go with the decisive break. But it was in Hadeland GP he probably produced his best ride last season. The race ends with a climb/hill (4 km, averaging 10 %), and Løvik finished as the second best Norwegian, on the same time as Eiking as he was beaten in the sprint. He beat, amongst others, Bystrøm on the climb. Guldhammer won the race, Løvik ended 5th. In Ringerike GP, a hilly one day race, he got 12th place. That was about it for his season, thanks to the team's financial problems.
Oddbjørn Klomsten Andersen has long been said to have the potential to really break through, but he has never quite managed to do just that. He had a great Tour of Taiwan in 2013, getting 3rd, 9th and 10th on three of the stages finishing with a tough hill. Had a silent 2014, but showed some good racing in the NC again, where he ended 10th after an aggressive day in the saddle.
Adrian Gjølberg was seen as a decent talent a few years ago, but he hasn't really progressed, despite still being in it and trying his best. He won stage 2 in Tour of China in 2011 after attacking together with another rider with 50 kms to go. Then he gapped him inside the final kilometer to win the stage. That stage underlines his strengths, being a strong rider on the flats, but also very aggressive. On a very good day, he's also solid on the hills, as he showed in Ringerike GP last season, where he was one of nine riders who fought for the win, ending 8th.
There's a lot of promising Norwegians born '93 and '94 in addition to Lunke and Eiking, but it feels like they all should get at least another year before they're suggested. Thus they should also be able to defend some very good stats
But hopefully some Norwegians will still be added for the next season as well, that's also why I've suggested Romstad Løvik, Gjølberg and Klomsten Andersen, as they're all more than old enough to be in. I think all three of them could start at at least level 3 seeing their age.
Edited by ember on 23-01-2015 16:42
A quick question, as I have earlier voiced a concern on the amount of top top riders.
Will you consider making the top top riders that will be on free, worse?
I'm thinking that Santander will stop entirely, and they have both Tenorio and Madrazo, and while I don't mind them staying, a way to ensure there are not so many of the top top riders left, an idea could be to remove -1 from all their stats, or simply remove the stats they have trained over the years, to make them go back to their original state. Both riders would still be very strong, and could be trained back - but would reduce the number of top top riders a bit.
I know that some will probably say that the others are just lucky to have the stars already, and that they can't get a super rider from the FA then. And I tend to agree with that point, but I thought it could be a way of getting the amount of 83+ riders down a bit. I guess more teams with top riders will stop after this season.
I have seen shitty riders become free due to stopping teams, and made better (like Tony Martin), but I don't remember i happening the other way around. In terms of the game possibly having less teams, it would be a good time to reduce the amount of talent I think.
Anyway, this was just an idea, or a question actually
Giving riders better stats to make them more like in real life (like Martin or Kristoff eventually) will make them acchieve results in the future.
But giving them weaker stats might see them not repeat results they have reached in the Man Game history.
And I really like to go through MG history looking through the best ever riders on that terrain etc.
So I think lowering stats of FA`s would disturb this.
Giving riders better stats to make them more like in real life (like Martin or Kristoff eventually) will make them acchieve results in the future.
But giving them weaker stats might see them not repeat results they have reached in the Man Game history.
And I really like to go through MG history looking through the best ever riders on that terrain etc.
So I think lowering stats of FA`s would disturb this.
True... Although -1 in all stats or simply removing their training stats wouldn't ruin them as riders.
Perhaps a better way would be to remove accumulated training from any rider who hits free agency? Not unknown in real life for riders to decline when leaving a familiar environment so provides some realism, and would help stop stat inflation.
- It's fine by me, but not exactly normal, if that many riders are all above 70SPR despite not really being sprinters. The current riders that is strong when sprinting from a small group are 66-68 SPR 
