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| mb2612 |
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jsh312mufc wrote:
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Personally I fail to see how Kittel is pcmdaily's favourite cyclist  So many more exciting sprinters like sagan, feillu, degenkolb, cavendish, and people picked kittel? 
Well Kittel isn't my favourite (that would go to either Demare or Bouhanni at the moment) but it isn't surprising. Cavendish has been dominating Tour sprints for years now and finally someone is able to consistently beat him - that is a great breath of fresh air from a rider on a fairly popular team that seems to be more moral than others (now that I have said that they will have a scandal soon...).
As for the others you mentioned, sure Sagan, Feillu are more exciting but as far as pure sprinters go, you can only get so exciting... But how is Cavendish more exciting than Kittel? They do the exact same thing... Kittel is just taller.
He beat cav 3 times last year (in the tour), and we were robbed of any chance to see them head to head this year. I wouldn't say he can consistently beat him yet
Cav has never won a sprint which kittel has been involved in. Kittel has won seven. Kittel destroys Cav head to head.
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mb2612 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
CountArach wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Personally I fail to see how Kittel is pcmdaily's favourite cyclist So many more exciting sprinters like sagan, feillu, degenkolb, cavendish, and people picked kittel?
Well Kittel isn't my favourite (that would go to either Demare or Bouhanni at the moment) but it isn't surprising. Cavendish has been dominating Tour sprints for years now and finally someone is able to consistently beat him - that is a great breath of fresh air from a rider on a fairly popular team that seems to be more moral than others (now that I have said that they will have a scandal soon...).
As for the others you mentioned, sure Sagan, Feillu are more exciting but as far as pure sprinters go, you can only get so exciting... But how is Cavendish more exciting than Kittel? They do the exact same thing... Kittel is just taller.
He beat cav 3 times last year (in the tour), and we were robbed of any chance to see them head to head this year. I wouldn't say he can consistently beat him yet
Cav has never won a sprint which kittel has been involved in. Kittel has won seven. Kittel destroys Cav head to head.
Doesnt mean cav has never beaten kittel in a sprint |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:11
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jsh312mufc wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
CountArach wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Personally I fail to see how Kittel is pcmdaily's favourite cyclist So many more exciting sprinters like sagan, feillu, degenkolb, cavendish, and people picked kittel?
Well Kittel isn't my favourite (that would go to either Demare or Bouhanni at the moment) but it isn't surprising. Cavendish has been dominating Tour sprints for years now and finally someone is able to consistently beat him - that is a great breath of fresh air from a rider on a fairly popular team that seems to be more moral than others (now that I have said that they will have a scandal soon...).
As for the others you mentioned, sure Sagan, Feillu are more exciting but as far as pure sprinters go, you can only get so exciting... But how is Cavendish more exciting than Kittel? They do the exact same thing... Kittel is just taller.
He beat cav 3 times last year (in the tour), and we were robbed of any chance to see them head to head this year. I wouldn't say he can consistently beat him yet
Cav has never won a sprint which kittel has been involved in. Kittel has won seven. Kittel destroys Cav head to head.
Doesnt mean cav has never beaten kittel in a sprint
https://www.procyc...oId=140768
Since you seem to have missed my post....
He's beaten him 3 times ever, never being a win.
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| jsh312mufc |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:15
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valverde321 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
CountArach wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Personally I fail to see how Kittel is pcmdaily's favourite cyclist So many more exciting sprinters like sagan, feillu, degenkolb, cavendish, and people picked kittel?
Well Kittel isn't my favourite (that would go to either Demare or Bouhanni at the moment) but it isn't surprising. Cavendish has been dominating Tour sprints for years now and finally someone is able to consistently beat him - that is a great breath of fresh air from a rider on a fairly popular team that seems to be more moral than others (now that I have said that they will have a scandal soon...).
As for the others you mentioned, sure Sagan, Feillu are more exciting but as far as pure sprinters go, you can only get so exciting... But how is Cavendish more exciting than Kittel? They do the exact same thing... Kittel is just taller.
He beat cav 3 times last year (in the tour), and we were robbed of any chance to see them head to head this year. I wouldn't say he can consistently beat him yet
Cav has never won a sprint which kittel has been involved in. Kittel has won seven. Kittel destroys Cav head to head.
Doesnt mean cav has never beaten kittel in a sprint
https://www.procyc...oId=140768
Since you seem to have missed my post....
He's beaten him 3 times ever, never being a win.
Another thing is that last year Kittel didn't care about the points classification, so on a stage like the one Cavendish won in Marseille, the profile was fairly hilly, and so Kittel didn't put an effort in to keep himself fresh for later stages. I doubt he'd have been nearly as dominant last year if he'd been going for the green jersey like the other sprinters were |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:19
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:23
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jsh312mufc wrote:
Another thing is that last year Kittel didn't care about the points classification, so on a stage like the one Cavendish won in Marseille, the profile was fairly hilly, and so Kittel didn't put an effort in to keep himself fresh for later stages. I doubt he'd have been nearly as dominant last year if he'd been going for the green jersey like the other sprinters were
Is that supposed to be an argument? I doubt that one stage had a major impact giving Kittel some major advantage over Cavendish that he wouldn't already have due to his normal ability.
And yes, that was the only stage Cav contested that Kittel didn't.
I could also use the Stage 17 TT as part of my argument then! Cavendish finished 160th, Kittel finished 46th. Remember that it was a hilly/Mountain TT too.
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:30
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valverde321 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
Another thing is that last year Kittel didn't care about the points classification, so on a stage like the one Cavendish won in Marseille, the profile was fairly hilly, and so Kittel didn't put an effort in to keep himself fresh for later stages. I doubt he'd have been nearly as dominant last year if he'd been going for the green jersey like the other sprinters were
Is that supposed to be an argument? I doubt that one stage had a major impact giving Kittel some major advantage over Cavendish that he wouldn't already have due to his normal ability.
And yes, that was the only stage Cav contested that Kittel didn't.
I could also use the Stage 17 TT as part of my argument then! Cavendish finished 160th, Kittel finished 46th. Remember that it was a hilly/Mountain TT too.
Well then you are claiming Kittel is a better TT rider than Cavendish, which is true. In his younger days Kittel was a quiite good TT'er 
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:30
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pcm2009fan wrote:
Personally I fail to see how Kittel is pcmdaily's favourite cyclist So many more exciting sprinters like sagan, feillu, degenkolb, cavendish, and people picked kittel?
Where can you see that? because if you mean who they bet on, it doesn't mean that he is the most liked rider.
Also anyone who claim that Cav and Kittle have or will go head to head is insane and i think they need to go back to 101 cycling and learn how big a deal positioning and your lead-out train is.
And here Kittel has the worlds best but he is a one-trick pony which he proves again and again by not going for the green but just stages. With that said though, Kittel has no equal when it comes to his explosive finish and Cavendish has age against him and he should stick to what he does best, win the other stages or beat Kittel when he isn't in the right position.
Lastly if anyone does not place Sagan on their top 1 list of most likeable/favorite sprinters they need to have their head examined
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:39
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Jacdk wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Personally I fail to see how Kittel is pcmdaily's favourite cyclist So many more exciting sprinters like sagan, feillu, degenkolb, cavendish, and people picked kittel?
Where can you see that? because if you mean who they bet on, it doesn't mean that he is the most liked rider.
And here Kittel has the worlds best but he is a one-trick pony which he proves again and again by not going for the green but just stages. With that said though, Kittel has no equal when it comes to his explosive finish and Cavendish has age against him and he should stick to what he does best, win the other stages or beat Kittel when he isn't in the right position.
Lastly if anyone does not place Sagan on their top 1 list of most likeable/favorite sprinters they need to have their head examined
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so Sagan isn't a one-trick pony by going for the green instead of stages (just my impression of today's stage)
So I need a head examination just because I dislike Sagan for the fact that he is only on the road because it pays more then MTB or the fact that he's a complete showoff (which I don't like)? great reason
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 19:43
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jacobjc88 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
Another thing is that last year Kittel didn't care about the points classification, so on a stage like the one Cavendish won in Marseille, the profile was fairly hilly, and so Kittel didn't put an effort in to keep himself fresh for later stages. I doubt he'd have been nearly as dominant last year if he'd been going for the green jersey like the other sprinters were
Is that supposed to be an argument? I doubt that one stage had a major impact giving Kittel some major advantage over Cavendish that he wouldn't already have due to his normal ability.
And yes, that was the only stage Cav contested that Kittel didn't.
I could also use the Stage 17 TT as part of my argument then! Cavendish finished 160th, Kittel finished 46th. Remember that it was a hilly/Mountain TT too.
Well then you are claiming Kittel is a better TT rider than Cavendish, which is true. In his younger days Kittel was a quiite good TT'er
Yes indeed. He was a strong TT rider even before he found out he was also a great sprinter. In older DB's he was always a TT rider  But my point is, he could have easily "saved himself" in that TT but he didn't, unlike Cav who is also a decent TT rider. Not as strong as Kittel but could have finished higher for sure.
Back onto the discussion of disagreeing with other peoples opinions.....I dont see how anyone likes the top riders in the sport. Sure, they aren't all convicted dopers but I take a lot more reward in cheering for the underdog riders. Only exception would be a rider I've followed since they were young and are now the best. (For the record I mean absolute best at a certain discipline)
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| EwanWilson |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:25
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I went to the stage in London!
The Mall!!!
My Seat
The view of Buckingham Palace
Viviani finishing
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:26
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Best cycling selfie ive ever seen
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:29
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Best cycling selfie ive ever seen
That's impressive. Froome and Contador both looking! |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:30
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Sad the girl is kinda ugly |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:44
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valverde321 wrote:
jacobjc88 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
[quote] valverde321 wrote:
https://www.procyc...oId=140768
Since you seem to have missed my post....
He's beaten him 3 times ever, never being a win.
Another thing is that last year Kittel didn't care about the points classification, so on a stage like the one Cavendish won in Marseille, the profile was fairly hilly, and so Kittel didn't put an effort in to keep himself fresh for later stages. I doubt he'd have been nearly as dominant last year if he'd been going for the green jersey like the other sprinters were
Is that supposed to be an argument? I doubt that one stage had a major impact giving Kittel some major advantage over Cavendish that he wouldn't already have due to his normal ability.
And yes, that was the only stage Cav contested that Kittel didn't.
I could also use the Stage 17 TT as part of my argument then! Cavendish finished 160th, Kittel finished 46th. Remember that it was a hilly/Mountain TT too.
Back onto the discussion of disagreeing with other peoples opinions.....I dont see how anyone likes the top riders in the sport. Sure, they aren't all convicted dopers but I take a lot more reward in cheering for the underdog riders. Only exception would be a rider I've followed since they were young and are now the best. (For the record I mean absolute best at a certain discipline)
For casual cyclingfans its very understandable. Those who only watch the Tour and occasional the Giro and Vuelta and maybe Paris -Roubaix only see the cream of the crop, the best riders on the planet. It isnt hard to get fascinated by those riders and cheering for them.
Then there's guys who me and probably a lot of guys on this forum; watching a young Valverde, Contador or whoever it might be when still being naive (I still remember the Courchevel-stage in 2005 where i cheered more for Valverde than Rasmussen) - you just stick with those guys, following them and not necessarily changing opinion because of some cases.
Then there's guys who cheer for the national heroes: Evans, Wiggins, Nibali etc etc. Again, very understandable.
And lastly there's the guys who dont really care and just wanna watch cycling, the romantics. After all the cases, it's definetely understandable that they basically ignore all the accusations and rumours and just wanna watch the best go at it in the mountains. I can speak for myself here (kinda), but also almost everyone i know who follows cycling.
I get your point, I just dont agree at all. The best riders are also the most liked, doping or not (in the bigger picture). However, that doesnt mean that those guys cant root for the outsiders or underdogs, its all just a question of preferences and those you will generelly root for some of the guys up front instead of a rider fighting for top 10-15, especially those who only occasionally watch cycling |
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| dacolik |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:53
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What's wrong with rafal majka  OO?
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 20:59
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Riis123 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
jacobjc88 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
[quote] valverde321 wrote:
https://www.procyc...oId=140768
Since you seem to have missed my post....
He's beaten him 3 times ever, never being a win.
Another thing is that last year Kittel didn't care about the points classification, so on a stage like the one Cavendish won in Marseille, the profile was fairly hilly, and so Kittel didn't put an effort in to keep himself fresh for later stages. I doubt he'd have been nearly as dominant last year if he'd been going for the green jersey like the other sprinters were
Is that supposed to be an argument? I doubt that one stage had a major impact giving Kittel some major advantage over Cavendish that he wouldn't already have due to his normal ability.
And yes, that was the only stage Cav contested that Kittel didn't.
I could also use the Stage 17 TT as part of my argument then! Cavendish finished 160th, Kittel finished 46th. Remember that it was a hilly/Mountain TT too.
Back onto the discussion of disagreeing with other peoples opinions.....I dont see how anyone likes the top riders in the sport. Sure, they aren't all convicted dopers but I take a lot more reward in cheering for the underdog riders. Only exception would be a rider I've followed since they were young and are now the best. (For the record I mean absolute best at a certain discipline)
For casual cyclingfans its very understandable. Those who only watch the Tour and occasional the Giro and Vuelta and maybe Paris -Roubaix only see the cream of the crop, the best riders on the planet. It isnt hard to get fascinated by those riders and cheering for them.
Then there's guys who me and probably a lot of guys on this forum; watching a young Valverde, Contador or whoever it might be when still being naive (I still remember the Courchevel-stage in 2005 where i cheered more for Valverde than Rasmussen) - you just stick with those guys, following them and not necessarily changing opinion because of some cases.
Then there's guys who cheer for the national heroes: Evans, Wiggins, Nibali etc etc. Again, very understandable.
And lastly there's the guys who dont really care and just wanna watch cycling, the romantics. After all the cases, it's definetely understandable that they basically ignore all the accusations and rumours and just wanna watch the best go at it in the mountains. I can speak for myself here (kinda), but also almost everyone i know who follows cycling.
I get your point, I just dont agree at all. The best riders are also the most liked, doping or not (in the bigger picture). However, that doesnt mean that those guys cant root for the outsiders or underdogs, its all just a question of preferences and those you will generelly root for some of the guys up front instead of a rider fighting for top 10-15, especially those who only occasionally watch cycling
Yes, I know that. Its the same with football teams, etc. I was just stating my opinion, which cant be wrong, just like yours cant be wrong. All it is, is people disagree with each other about their own personal criteria for why the can or cant like a rider, a pointless discussion
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 21:05
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Yeah, I know, but my post was more directed at your "I dont get why people like the top riders in the sport", not your opinion. Thats why i listed all the reason above |
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Posted on 07-07-2014 21:05
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dacolik wrote:
What's wrong with rafal majka OO?
It's what you get when you force a rider who is out of form and doesn't want to do a race to participate against his will
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 07-07-2014 21:06
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When it comes down to the fan discussion, there is one thing I can't stand.
That is when you "advertise" with something like (Sorry, but Kritzo is the only one I remember doing it): Rafal Majka fan since 2011
Why the hell does one want to write this? To feel superior because one has followed the rider since 2011? Does it really make you a "better fan" just because you followed Majka from 2011 and not when you saw him in the Tour?
Personally I think it's bullshit, no matter when you start to like a rider, it doesn't make you less a fan / supporter than one who has followed him for years. Just to get that aspect of the fan discussion in as well.
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