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| Selwink |
Posted on 15-06-2014 21:23
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Same goes for the Vanmarcke-Cance. Cancellara didn't manage to drop Vanmarcke a single time on cobbles this year.
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| Greg956 |
Posted on 15-06-2014 21:27
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AndyFan, Yeah yeah, It's like 2 stages from Ulissi, he won sprint on the uphill 2 times.
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| Adamb |
Posted on 15-06-2014 21:42
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emre99 - I don't know anymore i need you to help me with that.
Greg956 - 80 is the max for the fighter stat. Kiryienka 79 and Evans 79.
admirschleck - Definatly no 79 or 80 for Schleck. at most a 77.
AndyFan - Right i'll move him down to 78.
Selwink - I will move Vanmarcke up to 82. |
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| Adamb |
Posted on 15-06-2014 21:49
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I have added all the stats for the main General Classification riders. This is it for today, Again keep the advice coming also with the GC riders stats. I got quite a few from a DB that i am using at the moment(FCD 2014). |
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 15-06-2014 22:21
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HI seems slightly off, Martin is better than Costa and Ulissi, and on about the same level as Gilbert. Valverde and Purito one better, but not two.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 15-06-2014 22:27
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Why not Schleck 80? I mean, he has some awesome resutls (besides the one I already named) like DNF in all Ardennes or almighty 159th place in first stage of this years Paris - Nice. I just don't get it. This Ok DB isn't Ok anymore. Cheers.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 16-06-2014 02:57
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Can I see Danny Pate's stats?
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 16-06-2014 03:47
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547984 wrote:
Can I see Danny Pate's stats?
MO 99
HL 99
SP 99
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| AndyFan |
Posted on 16-06-2014 08:03
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I think the ACC stats should be a little different. Purito and Valverde definetely deserve ACC above 80 (I'd say 83 Purito, 81 Valverde) and Froome isn't as explosive as Pozzo so 78 is way too high for him. I think max 73 for him.
Besides that everything looks good, but I shouldn't use the stats from the FCD DB, because they are way lower then the stats in other DB's. So I would up all REC, RES and STA stats by 3 for the GC riders. I also highly recommend you to use the stats of the PCMDaily DB or PCMFocus DB, because otherwise they'll get pretty unbalanced.
Edited by AndyFan on 16-06-2014 08:07
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 16-06-2014 08:31
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Quintana&Contador Recovery too low compared too Froome. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-06-2014 09:06
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Some of these stats are far too high especially in the 'Hill Stat' category with too many riders with 80 plus and GC contenders are there who are great in the mtns but not so great in the hills. Also the stats for the Mtns are too high for a lot of the riders as well. Finally Sagan at 80 hill stat !!! |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 16-06-2014 10:20
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In terms of ACC:
-Froome 72
-Uran 74
-Aru 77
-Quintana 79
-Valverde 81
-Rodriguez 80
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-Costa 77
-Kelderman 79
Flat:
-Aru 71
HIL:
-Gerrans 77
-Sagan 78
-Mollema 79
-Ulissi 78
-Slagter 78
There are generally way too many riders with 80+ in Hills.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-06-2014 10:40
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In my DB these are the leading riders in hill stats: Some of these riders though, didn't ride the Ardennes classics or the Giro etc so are still based on what I gave them last year.
Joaquim Rodriguez 81
Philippe Gilbert 80
Alejandro Valverde 80
Carlos Betancur 79
Vincenzo Nibali 79
Daniel Moreno 79
Dan Martin 79
Sergio Henao 79
Enrico Gasparotto 78
Michal Kwiatkowski 78
Simon Gerrans 78
Ryder Hesjedal 78
Roman Kreuziger 78
Rigoberto Uran 78
Bauke Mollema 78
Jelle Vanendert 78
Chris Horner 78
Alberto Contador 78
Rui Costa 78
Maxim Iglinskiy 77
Michael Albasini 77
Nairo Quintana 77
Michele Scarponi 77
Domenico Pozzovivo 77
Frank Schleck 77
Simon Spilak 77
Nicholas Roche 77
Igor Anton 77
Rafal Majka 77
Diego Ulissi 77
Jurgen Van Den Broeck 77
Ronaldo Nocentini 77
Robert Gesink 77
Luis Leon Sanchez 77
Benat Intxausti 77
Pieter Weening 77
Ritchie Porte 77
Chris Froome 77
Damiano Cunego 77
Tom-Jelte Slagter 77
Giampaolo Caruso 77 |
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| Adamb |
Posted on 16-06-2014 21:07
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Dippofix - Martin will be a 82.
admirschleck - Funny 
547984 - Going through all the teams in the next few days. In alphabetical order so Sky are one of the last ones. Sorry.
AndyFan - I'll put Valverde 81 and Rodriguez 80. Froome 74. I'll also put the recovery. resistance and stamina stats up, And will not use FCD DB again.
dark_x2012 - I'll have them both 1 better than Froome.
Luis Leon Sanchez - Froome only down to 74, Uran 74, Aru 77, Quintana 78, Valverde 81 and Rodriguez 80. Costa 78 and Kelederman 80.
Changing many of the Hill stats. |
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| Adamb |
Posted on 16-06-2014 21:27
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Tafiolmo wrote:
In my DB these are the leading riders in hill stats: Some of these riders though, didn't ride the Ardennes classics or the Giro etc so are still based on what I gave them last year.
Joaquim Rodriguez 81
Philippe Gilbert 80
Alejandro Valverde 80
Carlos Betancur 79
Vincenzo Nibali 79
Daniel Moreno 79
Dan Martin 79
Sergio Henao 79
Enrico Gasparotto 78
Michal Kwiatkowski 78
Simon Gerrans 78
Ryder Hesjedal 78
Roman Kreuziger 78
Rigoberto Uran 78
Bauke Mollema 78
Jelle Vanendert 78
Chris Horner 78
Alberto Contador 78
Rui Costa 78
Maxim Iglinskiy 77
Michael Albasini 77
Nairo Quintana 77
Michele Scarponi 77
Domenico Pozzovivo 77
Frank Schleck 77
Simon Spilak 77
Nicholas Roche 77
Igor Anton 77
Rafal Majka 77
Diego Ulissi 77
Jurgen Van Den Broeck 77
Ronaldo Nocentini 77
Robert Gesink 77
Luis Leon Sanchez 77
Benat Intxausti 77
Pieter Weening 77
Ritchie Porte 77
Chris Froome 77
Damiano Cunego 77
Tom-Jelte Slagter 77
Giampaolo Caruso 77
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-06-2014 22:57
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@Adamb
My stats are not gospel or anything and I'm always looking to seek perfection in them and I don't like changing unless I really feel I should and I usually really pay attention to what others do, but I'm always wary of putting riders to high unless they really deserve it.
But 'hill stats' in this game seem to be the hardest to nail down. For the simple reason you have the Ardennes type hill stats riders' being mixed in with riders who are great on hills but never do anything great in the Ardennes or Lombardia. For example great hill riders like Ulissi and Costa do great in stage races with hilly stages but figure very poorly in the Ardennes classics and the problem is the stats don't or can't recognize this difference.
Also in hill stat Sagan seems to cause all types of differences of opinions. I've seen him rated between 74 and 80 by various members and as far as I'm concerned anything around 78 t0 80 would make him a hill favourite which he shouldn't be, just look how he couldn't cope with Kwiatkowski in Strade Bianche or against Cancellara on cobbled climbs. He's clearly the best flatman/sprinter on the hills though and I think 76 is about right, as he can still hold his own with 76 against some of the best. Anything around 78-80 could have him winning the LBL!
Edited by Tafiolmo on 16-06-2014 23:05
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| Adamb |
Posted on 17-06-2014 20:39
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Tafiolmo - I will put him down to 76. |
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| Adamb |
Posted on 17-06-2014 21:29
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Started to do AG2R. |
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| AndyFan |
Posted on 17-06-2014 22:16
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I really appreciate the way you listen to the people who comment here. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 17-06-2014 22:24
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AndyFan wrote:
I really appreciate the way you listen to the people who comment here.
He doesn't.  He doesn't want to put Andy Schleck on 80MO which seems so understandable & reasonable for me. I mean, Andy had so much great results in last couple of years that it's just crazy not to put him at least on 80. Cheers.
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