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| Macquet |
Posted on 15-02-2008 23:59
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issoisso wrote:
matt493 wrote:
He's been tested questioned more than any rider EVER and never even a reasonable doubt.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 17-02-2008 10:32
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Aquarius wrote:
Yep, all that is very true.
Indurain was one of the first EPO champions, a heavy guy who could suddenly climb as well as genuine climbers, and beat records on the flat.
Also his super talent showed up quite late, he was already a pro for a couple of years when he appeared as a potential Tour de France winner, though he was hardly a top 10 contender one or two years before.
The difference between Indurain two years before his first TDF victory (25 years old) and his first TDF victory (27) is the difference between a man using EPO and one racing without the heavy stuff...
...actually, if Indurain hadn't been riding for Delgado in 1990, he would've been a podium contender that year. Also, Greg Lemond was a guy who could break records on the flat, as well as climb with the best.
But then again, Lemond could also compete in Paris-Roubaix. The times when top riders would compete in both mountains and on cobbles may be long gone? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-02-2008 12:25
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True for the last sentence we're in an era of specialising.
LeMond could do all that, yes, but he was much lighter than Indurain if I remind well. I'd say LeMond weighed 65-70 kg, whereas Indurain probably weighed 10 more kg.
It's quite shocking to see heavy dudes climb as well as pure climbers. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 17-02-2008 14:46
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Question for everyone... who do you think the was the last TDF winner to race clean?
I'm not sure about Pereiro... but if you count Landis being caught and stripped as the winner being doped that year, I'd probably guess Lemond. Does anyone think someone after was clean... or that Lemond might have been doped? |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 17-02-2008 15:06
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if there was ever a clean Tour winner, then it's Lemond. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-02-2008 15:46
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I not shure...80s was already doping revolution decade..DDR..Soviet Union..USA etc.athletics records wich holding for another decade...and sry for us cycling fans..cycling has been long time new dope pratice place (this is best sport for that)
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-02-2008 16:17
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Here we go Astana for TdF campaigne is on..
Who like to sign petition visit.
www.LetLeviRide.com
I am not..
Edited by Guido Mukk on 17-02-2008 16:21
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| chuckie |
Posted on 17-02-2008 16:50
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chuckie wrote:
[quote]KurtinSC wrote:
Question for everyone... who do you think the was the last TDF winner to race clean?
Stephen Roche.. ops:ops: |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-02-2008 16:53
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KurtinSC wrote:
Question for everyone... who do you think the was the last TDF winner to race clean?
I'm not sure about Pereiro... but if you count Landis being caught and stripped as the winner being doped that year, I'd probably guess Lemond. Does anyone think someone after was clean... or that Lemond might have been doped? Pareiro might be Urko in Operacion Puerto, he's got medical authorisations to take heavy stuff for asthma, etc. Not really the guy I'd trust...
I agree with Brun, if there ever was a clean TDF winner for 30 years, then LeMond is that one.
Contador (2007) : OP, Saiz dude, Buyneel dude, irrealistic wattages, enough is said.
Pereiro (2006) : see above
Armstrong (1999 to 2005) : uh, well...
Pantani (1998) : he died from it
Ullrich (1997) : took 10 years to catch him for good, but eventually he got caught
Riis (1996) : same as above, except that he was already retired
Indurain (1991 to 1995) : Miguel "EPO" Indurain, trained by Ferrari, etc.
LeMond (1986, 89, 90) : can't find much to reproach him, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. I wish I can trust him.
Delgado (1988) : was caught as well, though cleared by the Olympic Commity
Roche (1987) : don't know him well enough...
Hinault (1978, 79, 81, 82, 85) : *pukes* there was no EPO yet, but he had all the other stuff most likely
Fignon (1983, 84) : was caught in his later years
Zootemelk (1980) : no idea...
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| matt493 |
Posted on 17-02-2008 16:54
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Here we go Astana for TdF campaigne is on..
Who like to sign petition visit.
www.LetLeviRide.com
I am not.. \\I've been heard. Everyone should go and let there voice be heard. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 17-02-2008 17:02
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Isnt it a bit selfish by Levi? Wouldnt it make more sense to do a Let Astana Ride petition? If he wants to ride so much Im sure he could just switch teams.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-02-2008 17:07
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Isnt it a bit selfish by Levi? Wouldnt it make more sense to do a Let Astana Ride petition? If he wants to ride so much Im sure he could just switch teams.
What would people rather support - a well liked American rider, or a Kazakh team linked heavily with doping?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 17-02-2008 17:09
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True, but ASO arent just going to let Leipheimer ride on a team of his own
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-02-2008 17:19
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It's a campaign to get Astana accepted - it's just fronted by Levi 
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 17-02-2008 18:39
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Crommy wrote:
It's a campaign to get Astana accepted - it's just fronted by Levi
he is probably their most 'credible' rider. Its also a U.S based petition, so it makes sense its all about podium finisher Levi. |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 17-02-2008 20:54
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I am of crouse all for letting Levi Ride.
Fuck off guido
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-02-2008 21:32
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Levi4life wrote:
I am of crouse all for letting Levi Ride.
Fuck off guido
You welkome ..of corse he had team promission for campaigne..and has he is best american rider..then hell why not.
p.s. I have nothing against Levi..he just choosing wrong team
Edited by Guido Mukk on 17-02-2008 21:52
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| fignon |
Posted on 17-02-2008 22:09
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chuckie wrote:
chuckie wrote:
[quote]KurtinSC wrote:
Question for everyone... who do you think the was the last TDF winner to race clean?
Stephen Roche.. ops: ops:
If I remember correctly the investigations by Italian authorities on Dr. Conconi concluded that Roche had taken EPO in the last years of his carreer, not sure though . He quit racing in 93 or 94 |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-02-2008 22:22
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fignon wrote:
chuckie wrote:
chuckie wrote:
[quote]KurtinSC wrote:
Question for everyone... who do you think the was the last TDF winner to race clean?
Stephen Roche.. ops: ops:
If I remember correctly the investigations by Italian authorities on Dr. Conconi concluded that Roche had taken EPO in the last years of his carreer, not sure though . He quit racing in 93 or 94
you're quite right. the evidence was pretty conclusive too.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-02-2008 07:54
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I have a hard time believing that anyone has won the Tour without medicaments. Is it even possible?
About the exclusion, Danish press interviewed Pat McQuaid yesterday.He was asked: "Will this be the final battle between UCI and ASO?", he answered: "Yes, that's very likely"
= Tour de France will be degraded to French national calendar? |
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