lets petition the developers to release an accurate account of what the stats mean and whether or not equipment matters.
this way we get it from the source and there will be no debate! i think thats what we all want anyway isnt it? someone who actually worked on the game to say, "hey look this is what this actually means, sorry for the confusion"
which mountain stage has no climb over 10k btw? id like to test that one for sure.
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
The comment about Hill and Mountain do show a lack of understanding about how the game works, .
no not really. i am right about that. the game designates stages as hill or mountains in a ratio. that ratio is determined by some factor. that factor is not arbitrary, it is based on the length of the climbs just as i said. those numbers can be figured out in terms of kilometers and others have supported my claims, especially in relation to the tour de swiss. the code gets its logic from somewhere and that logic is based in the physical length of the climbs. does that make sense? or should i attempt a better explanation?
Have you ever been in the Stage Editor? You will find a number that has been decided by the stage-editor. It is not decided by the length of the mountain. Try making a mountain stage with the focus fully on hill and 0% on mountain. Then you will probably see guys like Gilbert winning a big mountain stage.
The comment about Hill and Mountain do show a lack of understanding about how the game works, .
no not really. i am right about that. the game designates stages as hill or mountains in a ratio. that ratio is determined by some factor. that factor is not arbitrary, it is based on the length of the climbs just as i said. those numbers can be figured out in terms of kilometers and others have supported my claims, especially in relation to the tour de swiss. the code gets its logic from somewhere and that logic is based in the physical length of the climbs. does that make sense? or should i attempt a better explanation?
Have you ever been in the Stage Editor? You will find a number that has been decided by the stage-editor. It is not decided by the length of the mountain. Try making a mountain stage with the focus fully on hill and 0% on mountain. Then you will probably see guys like Gilbert winning a big mountain stage.
I dont know what the original comment was, but I do know that Cyanide's system of deciding the Hill/Mountain rating of a stage or the Flat/Hill/Mountain rating of it, is one of the most annoying parts of the game for me.
The ratings do not always make sense, but clearly there must be some sort of formula used by the game to decide it.
To throw out an example which may help to understand how it works, for those who want to look into it:
This race is claimed to be hilly, despite very little climbing, but containing an uphill finish
While a race like RVV has much more climbing, but is called flat
The proximity of climbs to the finish seems to have an effect. I once made a stage which had a few climbs and then a long descent into the finish. With the finish line at the end of the descent, the stage got a flat rating. Shortening the descent enough saw that change to a hill rating.
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Its also the case that the 'Hill' and 'Mountain' rating can be independent of the 0-100 'Gene_f_mountain_altitude' variable which actually determines whether the stage is better for riders with a good hill stat or a good mountain stat.
Prime example is Stage 4 in https://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy...isnice.png. Hill rating, 0.69 value - so actually better for the Mountain stat. It is Nathounet's Stage 4 of Paris-Nice. And for reference, the spline profile measurement of the Cat 1 climb is 13.5km - but that does seem to miss off the start of the climb, making it longer than that really.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 11-02-2013 23:02
in official stages tdf stage 13 is considered flat with a ratio of 0% mountain and have 2 great mountains, there are a lot of hilly races more flat than that stage where mountain counts a bit
Edited by dren on 11-02-2013 23:07
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