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New "Combination" Game
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| francopell |
Posted on 23-11-2012 14:45
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Maybe something like this?
You have 5 categories, stage racers, classic specialists (hill and cobblestone), sprinters and time trialists (as well as fighters). All teams must make a preference list like this:
1. Stage racer
2. Sprinter etc.
They then make separate preference lists of nations that will be in the Stage racer draft, sprinter etc.
Stage Racer:
There will be 200 riders with 50 different nationalities.
1. Columbia
2. Spain
3. Russia
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50. USA
You add the two numbers together aiming for as low a score as possible.
Let's take an example of twenty teams.
Each team will have 25 riders with opportunity to sign more riders if they want and have the money for riders left over (each rider has a wage to pay).
They then are allocated riders judged on ability (the preference list eg. Gilbert goes to a team with a 1. Classics specialist) and their nationality preference (eg Sammy Sanchez going to a team with a preference of Spain). This gives each team five stage racers, five sprinters, five TT'ers etc. Those riders will then be bought and sold in a brief transfer period but it wouldn't take too long as the nationality preference and speciality should even things out.
If two teams get the same score (eg. 1. stage racer 2. Italy = 3 points) they both have to raise the wage of the rider and whoever goes highest gets him.
Bit confusing but with enough work put in by the leaders I think it'd work. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 14:47
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@Baggie - PM, but only a few just to get an idea of how it would work
Frankly the simple draft is best because its simple, gives good teams and is fun.
And this is why i made this thread 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 14:53
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@francopell - that is far far too complicated...
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:03
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Okay, here's the details for my suggestion, each average value has been assigned a "cost" which will come out of a teams budget.
Spoiler | Rating | Cost | | Rating | Cost | | 85 | 4000000 | | 67 | 100000 | | 84 | 3400000 | | 66 | 75000 | | 83 | 2850000 | | 65 | 60000 | | 82 | 2400000 | | 64 | 45000 | | 81 | 2000000 | | 63 | 35000 | | 80 | 1700000 | | 62 | 25000 | | 79 | 1400000 | | 61 | 20000 | | 78 | 1200000 | | 60 | 17000 | | 77 | 1000000 | | 59 | 14000 | | 76 | 850000 | | 58 | 12500 | | 75 | 700000 | | 57 | 11250 | | 74 | 600000 | | 56 | 10000 | | 73 | 500000 | | 55 | 9000 | | 72 | 400000 | | 54 | 8000 | | 71 | 320000 | | 53 | 7500 | | 70 | 250000 | | 52 | 6750 | | 69 | 180000 | | 51 | 6000 | | 68 | 140000 | | 50 | 5250 |
Suggested Budgets:
Pro Tour - 15,000,000
Current Examples- Sky-19,550,000 Astana-12,250,000 BMC-14,999,000
Pro-Conti-5,500,000
Current Examples-Colnago-4,305,000 Farnese-6,340,000
In this system, every team joins the draft at the same point, and can stay in the draft for as long as they choose. Each round you select 5 riders in order of preference and then the "draft-owner" (the person who receives your PM's will assign players working their way down the serpentine draft.
Whoever you receive, their value will then be removed from your budget and we start over again. Until all teams have either pulled out of the draft, or spent their entire budget.
The advantage of this system, is it makes everyone think in advance about how to put their squad together, and it means that the "stars" of Pro-Conti (riders such as IAM's Haussler, Farnese's Pozzato, Saur's Coppel) will be more readily available to the PCT, and they can compete over some strong riders.
However, should they decide to go big and pick up a star name, then this will be reflected in there remaining budget, and then therefore, Squad.
Edit: A second big advantage of this over a straight serpentine draft, is that the teams should end up more even. In a standard serpentine, the teams in the middle tend to get well balanced but no really big names. ( Every round the best guys would go to the early pickers.) this way that have a much better chance, especially in round 3,4,5(ish) to pick up that extra 78 rated rider that the teams with a big start can't really afford, they may not win Le Tour with him, but he could well pick up those crucial extra points required when it comes to the showdown of the WT.
Just as an aside, I'm more than willing to run this draft if people go with it
Edited by baggieboys32 on 23-11-2012 15:23
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| jaxika |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:16
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I like baggie's ideea. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:20
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baggieboys32 - Sounds a Good idea  |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:23
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I have mixed feelings about baggie's idea, the idea itself is very good but it sounds like a lot of work and math for the players and the person handeling it all (but that would be you)
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| juszta |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:25
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
I have mixed feelings about baggie's idea, the idea itself is very good but it sounds like a lot of work and math for the players and the person handeling it all
I am of the same opinion as Luigi, it would be a lot of work to do with little reward. |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:26
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Well, im doing a maths degree
I can do the running of the draft as i said, and I can see the workload and i don't think it'll be too bad for me (Build one spreadsheet and let it do the work )
It comes down to whether or not the team owners would be willing to take the extra couple of minutes per draft to make sure they have fulfilled the finance rules
Edit: The reward as i see it, being a more even set of teams and a more interesting pro-conti league
Edited by baggieboys32 on 23-11-2012 15:28
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:27
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At the end of the day all we want to do is have a Team and race, so why don't we just choose a Team and get on with it
Then whatever problems we encounter during the season can be rectified ready for the following one |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:42
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sutty68 wrote:
At the end of the day all we want to do is have a Team and race, so why don't we just choose a Team and get on with it
Then whatever problems we encounter during the season can be rectified ready for the following one
Nah, you've got a point, but I think it's more fun if everything is clear.
Oh, and I like the new draft idea(the one from Baggieboys), it seems fair and it makes the CT interesting.
Only point is that he took real teams in the example, but that's not important, its just an example
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:42
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sutty68 wrote:
At the end of the day all we want to do is have a Team and race, so why don't we just choose a Team and get on with it
The only thing i dont like about using the established teams is that it goves 2-3 people a massive advantage. And with 2 divisions the CT has teams with fewer riders, disadvantaging them even more.
People suggest a transfer period. But this can take as long as a well run draft, and the teams change so much it defeats the point of using the established teams to begin with.
It does seem as though everyone is pretty much happy with the way things look.
We now have 4 bad idea votes, none of whom have commented.
8 dont care's of which i think 3 have still contributed something to the debate.
So i guess all we can really do is wait for the admins to make a decision on whether Fantasy Games could get a sub-section.
and keep discussions. Which would be nice if they moved away from team choices/drafts area.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:45
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then lets talk about ...
socks?
edit: I couldn't think of anyting becides team choices/drafts
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 23-11-2012 15:49
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:49
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
then lets talk about ...
socks?
or any of the other aspects mentioned 
but i do like socks
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:54
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Oh right, forgot that in my last comment:
The problem of the value of a rider depending on the average, is the strange average for TT and Fighter riders. So with this system you can buy a good Time-trialist for a bargain.
@TMM What db are we going to use? Spoiler (I vote for Daily's)
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:54
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What about racing, how many people are you looking to involve in the reporting of races?
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 15:58
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Dailys would be my vota as well. Considering the fighter/TTist issue in my system, you need in part to consider the points a rider will score for you in any given division.
A fighter is very unlikely to get close to the points provided by another discipline, they may win you a few stages per year, but thats not a big contribution to the rankings, the same applies to TTists who will likewise contest a few stages per season, and then spend a lot of time working as say a leadout man or general workhorse
As a result, i think it still works, because the cost of these cheaper disciplines is reflected in the points they'll earn you per season
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| francopell |
Posted on 23-11-2012 16:00
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Domestique
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Also, having your own sponsors is fun. Team Globant-Telefe will beat you all |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 16:02
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PCM.Daily DB of course!!!
Would get some people in to help report the races. Total 3-4 people there.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 23-11-2012 16:10
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baggieboys32 wrote:
Dailys would be my vota as well. Considering the fighter/TTist issue in my system, you need in part to consider the points a rider will score for you in any given division.
A fighter is very unlikely to get close to the points provided by another discipline, they may win you a few stages per year, but thats not a big contribution to the rankings, the same applies to TTists who will likewise contest a few stages per season, and then spend a lot of time working as say a leadout man or general workhorse
As a result, i think it still works, because the cost of these cheaper disciplines is reflected in the points they'll earn you per season
I cannot agree with you completely on this one.
Flecha, De Gendt, Chavanel, Voigt, LL Sanchez. They are all 'fighters' in PCM. I think that you can win something with most of them.
And about the TTists: They are worth more than their avarage. Don't forget the TTT races, they are worth really much in that. + there are many TTists with another good ability, which makes them a good domestique in some races. (Phinney cobbles, Porte&Rogers climbing, Tejay Climbing, Peraud Climbing, Moser Hills, Castroviejo Climbing, Durbridge Sprinting, Thomas Cobbles etc.) Although I have to admit that some of the people I just mentioned have a normal/almost normal average.
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