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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-11-2007 21:36
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NICE CREWE BACKGROUND!!!! You've gotta love the railwaymen quality team!!! (season ticket holder )
Edited by Wyman on 13-11-2007 21:37
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-11-2007 10:21
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well, I've finally seen the new FM in depth at a friends and the only thing I can say is thank god I didn't buy it.
the player's stats are as crappy as ever. it's like 5 year olds do the research.
the same player playing in two different leagues has wildly different stats. if he plays in portugal, 16 is the absolute maximum anyone will get for anything other than dribbling.
if he plays in spain, he will have at the very least 3 stats of 20, no matter how horrible he is.
just take any player that moves from the spanish to the portuguese league and compare his stats in those two FMs in a row. he'll have plummeted from brilliant stats to average ones.
and of course, every french club has 30 trillion euros to spend on players.
and we complain that PCM's stats are bad 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-11-2007 12:58
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In general, I don't see why people complain less about FM compared to PCM. FM is just as unplayable out-of-the-box as PCM is, the stats are bad and unrealistic, and usually there's no "great" improvements. I mean, it's not like the FM-series introduce new, fantastic features every year.
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| Setzel |
Posted on 14-11-2007 13:12
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Wyman wrote:
NICE CREWE BACKGROUND!!!! You've gotta love the railwaymen quality team!!! (season ticket holder )
Thx now i am trying to make a notts forrest pack 
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| zutcorp |
Posted on 14-11-2007 13:20
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CrueTrue wrote:
In general, I don't see why people complain less about FM compared to PCM. FM is just as unplayable out-of-the-box as PCM is, the stats are bad and unrealistic, and usually there's no "great" improvements. I mean, it's not like the FM-series introduce new, fantastic features every year.
So, to me, FM and PCM got the same kind of problems.
The differnce is that FM is a much much more complex game than PCM. severalt times larger.
And the database is much much bigger.
Oh, and I disagree about the data. I think its rather good, when considering the absolutely huge size of the database. Theres errors, but most are in the area of perception. we cannot agree whether a player is 15 or 17 in dribling. Its a matter of what we think!
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| Setzel |
Posted on 14-11-2007 13:22
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had to agreed with old zutcorp
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-11-2007 13:38
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zutcorp wrote:
Theres errors, but most are in the area of perception. we cannot agree whether a player is 15 or 17 in dribling. Its a matter of what we think!
I'm not talking about that.
players in some leagues are enormously overrated just because they play in said leagues, while the opposite is true for other leagues, and to verify that, all you have to do is look at how players have 20 for pace while playing in the argentinean league and are bumped down to 12 when they get to europe because the 20 was simply stupid. watch how any player that leaves the spanish league has his stats bumped down immediately. watch as clubs from so many countries have insane amounts of money to spend while they have none in real life, while those from other leagues are realistic. it creates a gigantic imbalance.
that is where the research is dirt-poor
at least there is hope, since Miles Jacobson from SIgames has already acknowledged most of this, saying they'll seek to put that right by changing most of the research staff.
the example he gave personally is how the number of high potential (-9 or -10) youngsters in the spanish leagues is 4 times (!!!) that of holland and portugal COMBINED, while (he says and I agree), it should be the same for all three.
look at all the -9 and -10 potential youngsters from the spanish leagues in previous versions. how many of them turned good in real life? almost none.
Edited by issoisso on 14-11-2007 13:41
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| zutcorp |
Posted on 15-11-2007 06:22
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OK, but theres a far cry from having too many spanish talents to calling the data dirt-poor in my opinion. Besides talents are even more of an opionion sport than regular players.
Besides, I almost only play in England, since their resaerch is usually the best. I have, in tha past, not wanted to play in Denmark for the same reasons yoyu cite: Too many obvious mistakes. But in recent years the danish data is much better.
Btw, im not argueing that fm08 doesnt have issues. All games do. Some of them are easy too see, and im especially dissappointed with how the new features seem to be quite badly done. However, Im very pleased with the match enging this year. I feel I can influence that tactics much more, and that its far better balanced (at least on the latest beta patch)
Still, its the best game available, with perhaps only World of Warcraft challenging it for "hours spent on pixels award" in my life.
On second thought, WOW has no chance to win, since Ive played very cm/fm since cm back in the very olden days.
Manager of Protour champions 2008, Carlsberg Cycling!! (wow is it that long ago I was in the management game?)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-11-2007 10:19
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zutcorp wrote:
OK, but theres a far cry from having too many spanish talents to calling the data dirt-poor in my opinion. Besides talents are even more of an opionion sport than regular players.
the word "example" means "a small sample", as in "to avoid spending the whole day writing everything down". want more examples? read my previous posts. heck, read the data forum at the SIgames board. should keep you entertained long enough.
just enough time until you tear out your hair reading things like "the head researcher for Turkey hasn't reported in since March. but he still keeps his job and we(SI) couldn't care less about updating turkish data". etc.
zutcorp wrote:
Besides, I almost only play in England, since their resaerch is usually the best.
absolutely no contest there
Edited by issoisso on 15-11-2007 10:21
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| Setzel |
Posted on 15-11-2007 14:17
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england has the best research because the SI members who produce this game do this in rest shitty forum guys from spain italy who have antipaties or symphaties i know from romania even i could make a team in the summer but didnt have time to go to my local club and speak with someone to get some official info
England research the only professional one in rest amateur....and SI dont bother change that 
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| Crommy |
Posted on 15-11-2007 16:32
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I only ever really play the English leagues, but I've just taken control of Barcelona and...Jesus, how overrated is everybody. It's just ridiculous 
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 15-11-2007 16:36
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It's too easy to play with big teams, i even win the league with Man City
so i play with crappy teamsB)
allways in England
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-11-2007 16:37
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Crommy wrote:
I only ever really play the English leagues, but I've just taken control of Barcelona and...Jesus, how overrated is everybody. It's just ridiculous
look at your B squad and cringe.
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 15-11-2007 18:30
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On fm2006 I always loved taking small teams from big competitions or decent teams from the more exotic leagues, I once became the manager of Rubin Kazan a team from Russia and did alright there, getting qualified to the UEFA cup but then all my starplayers went and so I went aswell to Zenith St Petersburg Also, managing a small national team can be fun aswell, I did it with Bahrain and Lithuania and it was alot of fun...I cant wait to get fm2008B)
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| popkorn |
Posted on 15-11-2007 22:49
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All player from Turun Pallosaara in Finland are overrated They got very many good talents. Togehter with Ääritalo they also have Lomski and Lehtovaara.
@Setzel, never played online but I can give a try |
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 01-12-2007 19:13
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while im still waiting for fm2008, does anyone know a good site for kits logo's other than sortitoutsi which is awfully slow...
Or is there anyone who has a so called 'superpack' which has lots of kits and logo's?
Dwight K. Schrute: 'I'm not a hero. Im just a mere defender of the office. You know who is a hero? Hiro from Heroes. That's a hero. And Bono'.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 01-12-2007 19:24
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what i have done is
https://www.fmcentre.co.uk//index.php?...owforum=60
used that site for Derek's E2G logo's, absolutley fantastic logo's.
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https://fmglive.com/forums/
used that site for great SS08 kits
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ftp://194.255.1.180/grafik/Framed_Meg...k_FM08.rar
350MB facepack, great looking photo's and a hell of a lot of them
obviously the sites linked to above, do different things to what i used them for so you can use fmglive's logo's as well, i just used them as i said because that's the way i liked them :wink:
place everything you download in D:\Documents and Settings\Adam\My Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2008
create a folder in there called "graphics" and seperate folders for kits, logo's etc.
and then in-game go to "Preferences", and untick "Use Skin Cache" then tick "reload skin on confirm" (something like that anyway)
anything else you want i'm sure i will be able to find it
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 01-12-2007 19:26
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thanks already started downloading some stuff earlier today so that I can get going immediatly once I get it (I should get it this week)
Will look at the thing you posted right now
EDIT: wow that Derek dude made alot of logo's
Edited by JustinWK on 01-12-2007 19:27
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 01-12-2007 19:32
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Yeah, a hell of a lot, and all of them are very high quality
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 01-12-2007 19:41
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indeed already looked at some screens, thanks for that site addy there are tons of logo's over there
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