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Giro d'Italia 2012 - Week 1
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 02-05-2012 19:27
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ruben wrote:
1. José Rujano (is he doesn't lose time in some silly stage this time he can win, i'm convinced of it)
That's like saying Gesink will get a podium in the tour if he doesn't crash. Possible, but unlikely 
How hard can it be?
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 02-05-2012 19:41
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Gesink would fall even if he rode a tricycle.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 02-05-2012 19:53
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Tour 2010 5th place nevar forget. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-05-2012 23:09
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cactus-jack wrote:
Gesink would fall even if he rode a tricycle.
I wouldn't descend a mountain on a tricycle, even for some money. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 02-05-2012 23:31
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Gulvplanke wrote:
ruben wrote:
1. José Rujano (is he doesn't lose time in some silly stage this time he can win, i'm convinced of it)
That's like saying Gesink will get a podium in the tour if he doesn't crash. Possible, but unlikely
No, it's much more unlikely that Rujano won't lose time than that Gesink falls.
So yes, it's a small chance...
But I think they can pull it off this time. The whole androni team is so strong and built around Rujano. Maybe they can keep him safe this time |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 02-05-2012 23:42
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ruben wrote:
But I think they can pull it off this time. The whole androni team is so strong and built around Rujano. Maybe they can keep him safe this time
32km ITT says hai
it's a TT of that distance which suggest that the likes of Schleck/Rodriguez/Rujano/Pozzovivo won't win
and they aren't much better than Kreuziger/Basso/Scarponi in the mountains (imo) |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-05-2012 23:45
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32km ITT in the last friggin day don't mean shit. Especially when neither Scarponi, Basso (Basso!) or Kreuziger are top ITTers.
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 02-05-2012 23:55
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wouldn't call them top ITTers
but they're better than the other 4 i listed |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-05-2012 23:57
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Barely, although I don't think Basso is better than Schleck or Rujano. The point is, there's only 32 km of ITT, and the last day, so the impact will be almost non-existant. You don't need to timetrial at all to win this Giro.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-05-2012 06:19
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kumazan wrote:
Barely, although I don't think Basso is better than Schleck or Rujano. The point is, there's only 32 km of ITT, and the last day, so the impact will be almost non-existant. You don't need to timetrial at all to win this Giro.
I agree, there is at most 1-2 minute TT differencial between e.g. Kreuziger,Scarponi on the one side and Pozzo,Rujano on the other and Rujano can gain that in the mountains easily. I see Denmark and hilly terrain as the Rujano biggest danger, he always had a day off in the first week. Same for Pozzovivo.
Kreuziger is the best timetrialist of favourites probably, but the worst mountain goat, although he reduced his weight significantly.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 03-05-2012 06:29
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Rujano is actually a much timetriallist better than a lot of people give him credit for. For example, he finished 45th in the final time trial in last year's Giro, and lost just 1'07 to Nibali, who was the best favourite. Kreuziger gained 59 seconds on him and Scarponi 57.
So they definitely shouldn't let him away in the mountains by several minutes. But as you said, his main goal will be to survive the first week. The windy stages in Denmark and the easier hilly ones could place him in difficulty I think. He lost an overall podium in the 2011 Giro on the stage to Orvieto, where he lost over five minutes on the other favourites.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 03-05-2012 16:43
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My predictions:
Sky will dominate the race in Denmark.
Cavendish will win a couple of stages before pulling out.
Kreuziger will get dropped as soon as they hit a big mountain.
An Italian will win. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 03-05-2012 16:48
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Am I the only one who thinks starting the Giro in Denmark is a bit odd? I mean, I can understand that it's important for the sports recognition etc., but I just feel that starting the Giro in Denmark is too much.
Wasn't there at one point talks about starting the TdF in the US? I don't have a problem with the three GTs touching in on neighbouring countries, but when there's such a difference between them I feel its just plain wrong. If this is the way they're going to do it, why not just have a stage or two through Germany on the way to Italy?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-05-2012 16:55
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It was the Giro that was supposed to start from Washington. It won't happen anytime soon anyway. And I don't really care where they start, but I'd prefer if the stages where somewhat interesting, no need to go to Denmark for 2 pan flat dull stages.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 03-05-2012 17:02
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Wonder why I thought it was the Tour... anyway, if they want exiting stages why not have a few in Columbia? And they can go to Belgium for some of the more "intermediate" stages. And since they are going to Belgium maybe they should just go to Holland aswell? I mean, it's so close! Oh, and why not France? They have some of the best mountains there and so do Spain!
I think it's a good idea! First a few in Belgium, then Holland before a rest-day where they travel to Columbia for some exiting climbing! There are probably some flat roads there so you can have 6-7 stages there. Another restday after that where they travel to France to climb a bit more + a few medium ones on the way to Spain. After climbing some more there, they finish of with a time trial trough the streets of Milan.
What do you think?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Vien |
Posted on 03-05-2012 17:07
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cactus-jack wrote:
Wonder why I thought it was the Tour... anyway, if they want exiting stages why not have a few in Columbia? And they can go to Belgium for some of the more "intermediate" stages. And since they are going to Belgium maybe they should just go to Holland aswell? I mean, it's so close! Oh, and why not France? They have some of the best mountains there and so do Spain!
I think it's a good idea! First a few in Belgium, then Holland before a rest-day where they travel to Columbia for some exiting climbing! There are probably some flat roads there so you can have 6-7 stages there. Another restday after that where they travel to France to climb a bit more + a few medium ones on the way to Spain. After climbing some more there, they finish of with a time trial trough the streets of Milan.
What do you think?
That'd be a dream coming true 
I don't see the problem of going abroad at all. At your logic the Giro should be for Italian riders only. At least it would be a better idea than all those WT races in exotic countries. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 03-05-2012 17:08
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I think....unrealistic
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-05-2012 17:10
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Not possible in Columbia, I told you they're not going to the US anytime soon.
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 03-05-2012 17:10
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Vien wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
Wonder why I thought it was the Tour... anyway, if they want exiting stages why not have a few in Columbia? And they can go to Belgium for some of the more "intermediate" stages. And since they are going to Belgium maybe they should just go to Holland aswell? I mean, it's so close! Oh, and why not France? They have some of the best mountains there and so do Spain!
I think it's a good idea! First a few in Belgium, then Holland before a rest-day where they travel to Columbia for some exiting climbing! There are probably some flat roads there so you can have 6-7 stages there. Another restday after that where they travel to France to climb a bit more + a few medium ones on the way to Spain. After climbing some more there, they finish of with a time trial trough the streets of Milan.
What do you think?
That'd be a dream coming true
I don't see the problem of going abroad at all. At your logic the Giro should be for Italian riders only. At least it would be a better idea than all those WT races in exotic countries.
He didn't say that. I think going abroad every year or every second year is to often why go abroad when the landscape and terrain is miles better in Italy then Denmark and those central european countries? |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 03-05-2012 18:17
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Gustav Larsson aims for a Top 10 overall, according to Swedish Eurosport.
That'd be too awesome, although I know it's a long shot. I do, however, think that he has the capacity. He was after all 14th in the 2008 Giro.
It's more of a dream than anything else, but I hope for the best.
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