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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-09-2007 19:24
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First name is easy...
(sounds like) Deniis
Menchov has few options:
Mentsoff or Menšoff 
Tinkoff example..hech I am tyred that they spell my name Tinkov wrong all the nime..I write this down has this one should spell
Edited by Guido Mukk on 18-09-2007 19:26
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-09-2007 19:39
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Ruben wrote:
1. Ok sorry, I allways thought you were a Spaniard 
2. Aha ok. the PCM commentator is even more hilarious though. Pronouncing Weening as "Wiening" because he uses the american/english "ee" instead of the Dutch/German "ee"
I can make a bet that you cant spell Rabo raider Denis Menchov name has russians to that the correct Dutch spelling for Menchov is : Denis Mentsjov.
The translation from Cyrillic to western alphabet differs per country. In English it's Menchov, in Dutch it's Mentsjov, because there are no real standards. All Russian or Eastern European names are spelled differently in Dutch then in English, and also different again in Polish for instance, and even more different in Japan
There is nothing 'wrong' about Denis Menchov if you spell it that way in an English newssite or paper. However, spelling Menchov on a Dutch site or newspaper is wrong. Same goes for Popovych (Popovitsj in Dutch), and many others. Those are our languague rules when translating from Cyrillic alphabet.
You might think it's wrong, but these are standard Cyrillic alphabet translations that are 100% correct.
Edited by ruben on 18-09-2007 19:40
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-09-2007 20:00
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not really, for one simple reason: the latin alphabet is also official in most eastern countries.
if you look at Menchov's passport or ID card or whatever, I believe you'll see it spelt twice: in cyrillic AND in the latin alphabet. so, there is a way. which way it is exactly, I don't know, but I'm inclined to believe Guido, as he's Estonian
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-09-2007 22:17
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No there are some special rules about translating cyrillic names. It was even confirmed by some professor. I mailed our newspaper a few times about Russian/East-European names and they had the same story. It's very complicated and I'm not the expert who can really explain well.
But in Dutch it's definately Mentsjov, not Menchov. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-09-2007 22:50
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Ruben wrote:
No there are some special rules about translating cyrillic names. It was even confirmed by some professor. I mailed our newspaper a few times about Russian/East-European names and they had the same story. It's very complicated and I'm not the expert who can really explain well.
But in Dutch it's definately Mentsjov, not Menchov.
This is strange if they have some kind of agreement of russian names...I remember when soviet union hockey team..first came out latin letters names on theyr shirt those looked ridiculos..some "disturbed" mind has been working with those I belive that managers should just tell player wich number they have..because even they cant unsderstand what those mess meens.
Talking about latvia..it's easy there whatever tour name is just but extra s in the end..and they call and right your name this way..
Guidos Muks
Rubens
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 19-09-2007 00:21
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Teams USA! No Levi Lots of Slipstream guys Expect Kristin Armstrong to take the TT and Mara Abbot the Road Race.
Elite men
George Hincapie (Greenville, S.C.) - road race
David Zabriskie (Salt Lake City, Utah) - road race, time trial
Bobby Julich (Glenwood Springs, Colo.) - road race
Christian Vande Velde (Boulder, Colo.) - road race
Jason McCartney (Coralville, Iowa) - road race, time trial
John Devine (Dixon, Ill.) - road race
Tyler Farrar (Wenatchee, Wash.) - road race
Danny Pate (Colorado Springs, Colo.) - road race
Elite women
Kristin Armstrong (Boise, Idaho) - road race, time trial
Amber Neben (Irvine, Calif.) - road race, time trial
Christine Thorburn (Menlo Park, Calif.) - road race, time trial
Lauren Franges (Asheville, N.C.) - road race
Katheryn Curi (Mountain View, Calif.) - road race
Mara Abbott (Boulder, Colo.) - road race
Tina Pic (Dahlonega, Ga.) - road race
Alison Powers (Boulder, Colo.) - time trial
U23 men
Peter Stetina (Boulder, Colo.) - road race
Tom Peterson (Boulder, Colo.) - road race
Craig Lewis (Spartanburg, S.C.) - road race
Max Jenkins (Berkeley, Calif.) - road race
Tejay Van Garderen (Fort Collins, Colo.) - road race, time trial
Nick Frey (Des Moines, Iowa) time trial
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-09-2007 00:29
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Julich must be ruing the day he decided to continue on for this season...
his two goals were doing a good Tour and getting a medal at the worlds ITT. ouch.
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 19-09-2007 07:51
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I reackon we shall see a certain Taylor Phinney here in a few years Hes already a world champ anyway |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-09-2007 08:13
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And for those interested, Denmark has chosen their squad:
Road race:
Matti Breschel
Chris Anker Sørensen
Lars Bak
TT:
Brian Vandborg
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 19-09-2007 08:14
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Is Alex Rasmussen not in, or was it something to do with that crash in The Post Tour Denamrk? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-09-2007 08:19
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Alex Rasmussen is not ready for that kind of challenges yet. And the route doesn't fit him either. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 19-09-2007 08:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
Alex Rasmussen is not ready for that kind of challenges yet. And the route doesn't fit him either.
Oh right thanks for that, good luck next year |
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 19-09-2007 08:31
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CrueTrue wrote:
Alex Rasmussen is not ready for that kind of challenges yet. And the route doesn't fit him either.
One word: SPEEDBUMPS
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 19-09-2007 22:55
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Liechtenstein's sole competitior at the Worlds will be Dimitri Jirikov at the U23 Time Trials. I hope he comes 2nd behind Stannard
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| Panaflex |
Posted on 19-09-2007 23:16
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Ruben wrote:
No there are some special rules about translating cyrillic names. It was even confirmed by some professor. I mailed our newspaper a few times about Russian/East-European names and they had the same story. It's very complicated and I'm not the expert who can really explain well.
But in Dutch it's definately Mentsjov, not Menchov.
Sorry for (again) not sticking to the actual subject, but I have to agree with Ruben.
There is NO official international version for russian names. As simple as that.
It may be Menchov in the USA/UK/Spain, but it's Menschow in German.
The spelling in each country is supposed to resemble the actual russian pronunciation - that's all there is to it.
And yes, I know what I'm talking about I've spent 6 months of my life in a Russian family and school in 2002 (Moscow).
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.Lance
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 19-09-2007 23:22
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well if you think that was off topic listen to this:
while we are on the subject of russia i believe that it should be split into half or 1/4 and 3/4. Russia is counted as a european country yet over half of it is in asia. So i reckon that it should be split in half, i also dont know how isreal is european 
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 19-09-2007 23:34
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Isreal gets to play with us europeans cause nobody of their neighbours likes them. Some even don't consider Israel to be an independent country.
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| Panaflex |
Posted on 20-09-2007 00:00
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mattiasgt wrote:
Isreal gets to play with us europeans cause nobody of their neighbours likes them. Some even don't consider Israel to be an independent country.
And some may not consider you a reasonably intelligent person. Yet, you are being given the chance to raise your voice on this site.
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.Lance
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 20-09-2007 00:03
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What is it that people see wrong with Israel anyways.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2007 00:08
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Levi4life wrote:
What is it that people see wrong with Israel anyways.
have you been there?
if the answer is no, don't ever go there. I haven't ever, but I've met literally dozens of Israelis. they're scary.
they're taught from birth that Israel is the greatest country on earth and Israelis are chosen by God. that Israel is a benevolent country that knows best and the only reason the Israeli government doesn't wipe out every arab from the globe is that they're magnanimous and choose to let those "animals" live.
They believe that because it's all around them since birth. it's a belief just like the one that the sun will rise every day. they wouldn't dream of thinking otherwise.
it's just like catholicism in Poland. it's very scary.
also, the fact that they tear down buildings all over the place with the inhabitants inside them just because they're palestinians doesn't exactly bode well for them either......same goes for shooting arab kids in the street for fun
Edited by issoisso on 20-09-2007 00:11
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