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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 10-10-2011 19:21
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kumazan wrote:
Oh shit. OH SHIT. That just sucks too much.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 10-10-2011 19:23
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Next I expect the French Pro Cycling Challenge, a week long stage race, with 2 time-trials, one mountain stage, and 4 sprints. Oh, wait... |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 10-10-2011 19:42
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CrueTrue wrote:
The route, name and date have changed, so basically, it's a new race. Lombardia is gone.
This is race calendar idiotism nr. 2 ..inside few years.
First was ..moving Amgen tour into may |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-10-2011 20:01
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FreitasPCM wrote:
But why these changes? 
"Fuck the sport if Pat McQuaid's honour is impeached".
Some randomly sorted reasons :
- Not worrying about traditions.
- Reducing RCS power and influence by reducing one of their races' importance
- Worrying more about the bankable aspect of a race rather than its sportive interest
- Developing pro cycling (I mean the money aspect of it) in currently exotic countries, with a potentially strong economic potential |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 10-10-2011 20:23
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Exotic countries which push their athletes to the absolute limit of humanity in training them, and then beyond. Where out of 200 trainees, one might make the cut. Yeah, great stable place to gather new cycling talents from. Perfect breeding ground for turning to the use of drugs.
But I'm not being cynical. Honest. I'm being honest.
Kind of. 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-10-2011 20:33
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Sounds like former East German Republic.  Train and dope as many youngsters as possible, there's always a couple of them who'll make it to the very top of world level.
Wait, aren't the Spanish doing the same nowadays ?
But that makes sense, actually. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-10-2011 20:44
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No public organization in Spain could achieve half the effectivity of what the DDR did. Here the money for the dope would be being wasted in buying a house in Marbella for the politician in charge. 
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 10-10-2011 21:17
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Aquarius wrote:
Sounds like former East German Republic. Train and dope as many youngsters as possible, there's always a couple of them who'll make it to the very top of world level.
Wait, aren't the Spanish doing the same nowadays ?
But that makes sense, actually.
The western part of Germany wasn´t better at that time, they just hid their "projects" much better.
Edited by felix_29 on 10-10-2011 21:18
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-10-2011 22:04
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Yet, most records in athletic sports were rather beaten by Eastern-Germans, and most top German cyclists of the last two decades are originating from the Eastern Germany. Ludwig, Ullrich, Zabel, Klöden, just to name the most significant ones.
Of course we (the Western world) were and are anything but saints regarding those massive doping systems. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-10-2011 22:15
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felix_29 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Sounds like former East German Republic. Train and dope as many youngsters as possible, there's always a couple of them who'll make it to the very top of world level.
Wait, aren't the Spanish doing the same nowadays ?
But that makes sense, actually.
The western part of Germany wasn´t better at that time, they just hid their "projects" much better.
I think no country was better at that time.
It was a full of doping system all over the world in this times.
Edited by roturn on 10-10-2011 22:16
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-10-2011 22:18
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I suggest you guys read "Faust's Gold". You'll realize east germany went way further than anyone else with doping.
The horror stories of people's health being damaged by the insane excesses are plenty.
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-10-2011 22:29
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I believe you that East Germany or the UDSSR in general was more extreme than others, but in the times of less controls all countries were pretty extreme.
I really hope and also think that it is better now, although it`s definitely not perfect. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 10-10-2011 22:45
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Vaughters is happy about the Lombardia move, which typically means some aspect of cycling's heritage has been destroyed
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
Please assume I am joking unless otherwise stated |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-10-2011 22:49
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roturn wrote:
I believe you that East Germany or the UDSSR in general was more extreme than others, but in the times of less controls all countries were pretty extreme.
I really hope and also think that it is better now, although it`s definitely not perfect.
I think it was Aldo Sassi who said that , back then, "it was science, not doping".
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 11-10-2011 15:08
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Ricco´s brain definatly got damaged by doping:
https://www.cyclin...ransfusion
And about the DDR/BDR discussion: "Der Spiegel" just published a report about the western doping system:
https://www.spiege...52417.html
Edited by felix_29 on 11-10-2011 15:14
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-10-2011 20:00
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Meanwhile, Anthony Roux fell during a cyclocross and broke two vertebrae. He's been taken to hospital and will be out during at least six months. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-10-2011 21:11
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And yet again, the denial:
https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/100...awyer.aspx |
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 11-10-2011 21:13
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At least, Riccò is entertaining the world
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| acac |
Posted on 12-10-2011 13:00
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coni want 12-year long ban for ricco. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 14-10-2011 22:14
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Well, Soler has been released from the hospital. The doctors say he's getting a lot better (by what they mean he can now brush his own teeth again and shave himself). As far as sports go, he can only walk for about 30 minutes max now, so it's not really looking that good for a return to cycling. Atleast not for next year.
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