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CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-09-2007 17:47
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Some copy and paste from cyclingnews..
Alejandro Valverde missed an out-of-competition control on June 23 during the lead-up to the Tour de France. The UCI has given him opportunity to defend himself within ten days according to todociclismo.com. Similar circumstances led to the ejection of Michael Rasmussen from the Tour de France and an eventual dismissal from Team Rabobank. However, Valverde's representatives have indicated the UCI knew of his location since it was the day before he rode the Eindhoven Team Time Trial.
"Just embarrassing," said Eugenio Bermúdez, the secretary of the Spanish Cycling Federation (RFEC). "It seems to me embarrassing and cheap that the UCI asks Valverde to present his evidence, and it threatens him with an admonition. He is able to demonstrate his absence through his plane ticket. Furthermore, in the race he passed the [anti-doping] control. The UCI has pulled out some items that are not compatible with the reality."
What you think about that..fight. At least I se first time how cycling federation..want to give a "green light" for suspicious rider.
This story has now been denied by the UCI. |
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-09-2007 17:48
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Also, it seems like there's been organized team doping on a Russian U23 squad. Eight riders and two soigneurs are now being investigated. |
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Posted on 06-09-2007 18:15
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CrueTrue wrote:
I agree with Panaflex and PensFan. Also, I don't think we should forget that the retest of Lance's test from 1999 showed lots of EPO. I don't think Lance was an exceptionally good cyclist - I think he was exceptionally good at being one step ahead of the others medical wise. He knew exactly what he was tested for, he knew exactly what he could use without being caught. He used EPO until it was possible to test for it. And since then, he has most probably used blood doping like Ullrich, Basso, Vinokourov and all the other big stars. And then he stopped before they were able to trace that down.
Yes, that's not evidence. I don't have any evidence - but there's lots and lots of circumstantial evidence.
I absolutely agree with that, and Indurain had better physical stats than Armstrong, according to Wikipedia.
Caisse d'Epargne Directeur Sportif Eusebio Unzúe explained on Wednesday afternoon to Cyclingnews that he had phoned to the UCI with the purpose of resolving the Alejandro Valverde disagreement. At issue is the e-mail received by Valverde last Sunday, in which he had been demanded to justify his absence when UCI anti-doping inspectors visited his home in Murcia on June 23.
"The UCI recognized to us that there had been an error," Unzúe said. "At the same time that we indicated to them, the UCI, that we had sent a fax [June 12 - ed.] in which we announced that Valverde was going to be racing in Eindhoven."
The Spanish Cycling Federation (RFEC) is expected to send a letter to the UCI regarding Valverde's position in Operación Puerto. The UCI had demanded that there be an investigation of the 27 year-old Spaniard, and that he is to not allowed to ride the World Championships. According to AS, RFEC will likely communicate that there was nothing new that links Valverde with Operación Puerto. Therefore, the RFEC won't open any disciplinary proceedings against Valverde.
The RFEC has studied, together with Valverde's and Caisse d'Epargne's attorneys, the documentation that the UCI sent them over a period of two days. All parties were convinced that there is nothing new.
Alejandro Valverde's manager, Sánchez Sabater, announced that they are willing to take an action against the UCI "if it impedes Valverde for the World Championships without any legal backing," and also against "everybody who links him to the Operación Puerto without citing any evidence." He admitted that "until now, we have been prudent; we did not want cause any more stink."
I'm probably one-sided, but this thing before the Eindhoven TTT is ridicolous, if UCI have a real evidence against Valverde, than why don't they show it. If they don't have then don't f*** with him or anyone else in the same situation. It is beginning to look like they started a campaign to destroy his reputation. Why don't they f***ing with Contador??? He won the TDF and he's in the Puerto list too. His whole team was in it.
In my opinion, I accept that Valverde probably doped, but not this year. If he rode the Tour
doped, than he must have used kerosine or something before. I think he's clear now .
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-09-2007 18:45
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As mentioned above, UCI has said that the story is not true. |
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doddy13 |
Posted on 06-09-2007 19:06
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Alejandro_Valverde wrote:
I absolutely agree with that, and Indurain had better physical stats than Armstrong, according to Wikipedia.
So?? I can edit wikipedia to say Gilbert has better stats than Mercx if i wanted to.
I think Lance was clean, watch his biography by the Biography Channel 'Racing for his life' at many points the doctors who worked with armstrong said his body was perfect for cycling.
He trained whilst going through Cancer Treatment and was rejected at school, he took his anger out on the bike.
He was winning all sorts of races at the age of 16. Local Running races, Triathlons etc.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-09-2007 19:33
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And you can also find lots of people who worked with Armstrong who said he was doped, just like everyone else.
Personally, I think it's naive to think that Armstrong wasn't doped. Yes, I'd like to think that as well, but it's simply impossible to ride like he did without use of doping. |
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MarcoPRT |
Posted on 06-09-2007 19:35
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doddy13 wrote:
Alejandro_Valverde wrote:
I absolutely agree with that, and Indurain had better physical stats than Armstrong, according to Wikipedia.
So?? I can edit wikipedia to say Gilbert has better stats than Mercx if i wanted to.
I think Lance was clean, watch his biography by the Biography Channel 'Racing for his life' at many points the doctors who worked with armstrong said his body was perfect for cycling.
He trained whilst going through Cancer Treatment and was rejected at school, he took his anger out on the bike.
He was winning all sorts of races at the age of 16. Local Running races, Triathlons etc.
Exactly...Even swimming competitions he won...
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-09-2007 19:36
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Yep also I dont never belive that everyone else..was doped but no Lance... This is just not possible..without the dope he would keep out just 10 days..not 3 weeks. |
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Dan_Grr |
Posted on 06-09-2007 19:43
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Lance is a genetic freak... but so is the majority of the peloton. And you can edit Wikipedia as you see you fit, but if you're wrong, chances are tomorrow the content is already corrected and you might be banned from editing that content again. |
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MarcoPRT |
Posted on 06-09-2007 19:53
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Or not...2 months ago, and just to give you an example, and because you're portuguese like me, someone edited the No Name Boys (Benfica ultra supporters) and said they are made from gay football supporters...it remained that way for 2 or 3 days...before being edite by them...in the cases of being catched putting lies there, just your IP is banned, if you have a dinamic one, you can restart the computer and edit again...
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Dan_Grr |
Posted on 06-09-2007 20:24
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That's a interesting bit you posted, but that situation is doesn't compare in terms of importance to a Lance Armstrong subject. No one cares about them. |
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MarcoPRT |
Posted on 06-09-2007 20:26
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I care...xD
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Posted on 06-09-2007 20:41
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I lost myself in the post. I wanted to add that because few people care about them (ok, you care) the content was edited after 2 months. Editing the main page of Lance Armstrong and telling he had, for example, 200 VO2 max when that is clearly impossible, is going to be already corrected tomorrow, if not within a couple of minutes, because it's a much wider and important subject. |
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MarcoPRT |
Posted on 06-09-2007 21:01
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I don't think it is so impossible...he says it in his book...did you read it?
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PensFan101 |
Posted on 06-09-2007 21:06
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MarcoPRT wrote:
Don't even compare one man to another...Armstrong is a man in a million, as he said in his book, when he went to a clinic at 16years old, they tested his capacity to breathe and the cpacity of suffering, and he had, and he continues to have, the most huge value in the firts thing and one of the most low values at suffering...
Do you still think he doped himself?
He would never admit he doped, especially in a book.
But anyway, I'm glad Valverde got cleared, even if he did dope, because it seemed just like it ws said, a campaign to destroy his reputation. Even though we have factual evidence against Floyd Landis, he was still thrown under the bus a little too hard...
And as for Gerolsteiner, I know I said they haven't done a whole lot in terms of results, but seeing more teams fold/threaten to fold is saddening.
AND (sorry) about Astana, that is surprising. I thought it was 3 positives and no PT liscense... They won't be that great though now without Vino, Kosh, and Kassler anyway... |
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-09-2007 21:07
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PensFan: Well, it depends.. If they sign Contador et al, you will see them a lot, unfortunately. |
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PensFan101 |
Posted on 06-09-2007 21:21
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CrueTrue wrote:
PensFan: Well, it depends.. If they sign Contador et al, you will see them a lot, unfortunately.
Never figured Astana would sign that guy, but wouldn't that be like throwing away the already dying fan that was trying to blow the doping cloud away? |
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Karl_rab |
Posted on 06-09-2007 21:25
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isnt he going to rabobank ?
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-09-2007 22:58
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Karl_rab wrote:
isnt he going to rabobank ?
Not yet..Contador will like it..But I belive Rabo is smart enough and wont to that. You as Rabo fan should also hope same thing.
If Astana signs Bruyneel..this is a chanches that Bruyneel like's to see also Contador in the same squad..at least he give as hint for that. |
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Levi4life |
Posted on 07-09-2007 05:27
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PensFan101 wrote:
He would never admit he doped, especially in a book.
But anyway, I'm glad Valverde got cleared, even if he did dope, because it seemed just like it ws said, a campaign to destroy his reputation. Even though we have factual evidence against Floyd Landis, he was still thrown under the bus a little too hard...
And as for Gerolsteiner, I know I said they haven't done a whole lot in terms of results, but seeing more teams fold/threaten to fold is saddening.
AND (sorry) about Astana, that is surprising. I thought it was 3 positives and no PT liscense... They won't be that great though now without Vino, Kosh, and Kassler anyway...
If ANYONE examined the case gainst Floyd Landis then there would be no doubt in your mind that Landis is innocent and that the level of corruption in the current Anti-Doping Establishment.
First of all one of the computers used to test landis' sample had the magnetic handles used to carry the computer to its position in the lab and those magnetic handles should have been removed years before. All of you know what happens to a computer if you puet a magnet on it let alone a magnet strong enough to carry a big piece of equipment.
Secondly the Stage 17 sample's label number is 995474. The summary of 'landis' T/E ratio ID number is 994474. There are numerous other seeming ly small but huge numbering mistakes.
Thirdly the Specimen contamination and degradation allowable limit is 5%. In the epitestosterone degradation/contamination is 7.7% past the legal amount.
In the analysis of Landis 1st and second testosterone the error percentage between test one and 2 is 181 %. In the analysis of his epitestosterone level the error percentage is 238 %. High school chemistry would tell you that you cannot work with these numberse because they are so wrong.
When Landis put his defence online for all to read, which is entirely in his rights to do, he was told that he couldn't. the USADA got a court order telling him to stop which is against the law.
Also One WADA lab cannot legaly testify against anothers results. WHAT? even if they see something so blatantly wrong they can't say a word?
These are only a few of the 60+ arguments that could exhonerate Landis and clear his name but here is my personal favorite is the BULLSHIT that comes out of DICK Pounds mouth. DICKLESS Pound said to a reporter with no evidence at all that 1/3 of the players in the NHL were doped. The reporter asked him how he knew and DICKHEAD said in his own words "It was pick a number, so its 20% so its 25 % call me a liar." Also "He was eleven minutes behind or something, and all of a sudden there's this hurculean effort were he is going up mountains on a godamn harley." ANother and perhaps my favorite of the favorites iswhat he told the New York Times "I mean it was eleven to one. You'd think he'd be violating every virgin within 100 miles. How does he even get on a bicycle." DICKWAD Pound also said "His nickname is 'Roid Floyd.' But that is only hearsay" Hearsay because DOUCHEBAG Pound made it up. Now, Mr. Pound isn't even supposed to comment AT ALL about pending cases but as you can see he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
With all his comments Pound made he lost the confidence of most of the mainstreem american Sporting Associations.
The USADA gets its money from the US government. Now the US government is taking a very close look at the USADA because of the fact that Athletes have fewer rights than a deathrow inmate and the USADA frequently violate the constituntional rights, granted to every american at birth, that Congress is supposed to protect.
Floyd Landis is one of my heroes. He came from a quiet menonite community in pensylvania and made the big time. He makes me proud to be American and if you have a dick shoved so far up your ass that you cannot read anything other than mainstream media and take it all for truth then, i am sorry, all you are to me is a worthless pile of shit. Floyd Landis is fighting the good fight. He is fighting and beating the immense amount of corruption in my beloved sport. He is one of the saviors of the sport. The war between the ASO, UCI and WADA is something that I don't want to deal with If i ever have the privelage to race my bike on his level.
I know i probably pissed a lot of people off with the above post but you cannot call my man a cheat based on a test reult that not only is not posoitve but could very well not even be his sample.
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