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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 12-04-2011 07:36
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Aquarius wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
you guys still watching it?
I stoped when Häkkinen stoped.. Endurance is more fun 
But yes, even though I said I wouldn't watch it any more (like pro cycling), every year I do it again.
Still don't get you comparison.
Ok.. both can be boring.
But how Eccelston runs this show..
F1 is for me manipulated and subjective competition. This is not man against man fight..who has best machine will usualy win and with hugh amargin. Guy with Toro Rosso (what ever) has just no chanche. He need to "get " inside top 3 teams to have a chanche to win some day.
Contador bike is not that fast. Give it to Kirsipuu..he will still abandon at first tour mountain stage.
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| roturn |
Posted on 16-04-2011 07:34
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Mark Webber failed in Q1 and has to start from 18. The team decided to take a risk in Q1 and riding without the soft tyres. Now it will be much harder for him as he still can`t use KERS but has to overtake a lot now.
Therefore the Saubers with great times so far and also all the weak cars seem to come in the limit.
Mercedes obviously fails in Q2 again, but still time left to change on better tyres.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-04-2011 08:30
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Once again Webber gets the wrong strategy or the problem on the car. How surprising is that ?
Lotus Renault fvckep up big time. But as they've got the pace to do much better, plus the fastest top speed, that should make their race interesting. |
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| iambennyboy |
Posted on 16-04-2011 08:59
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roturn wrote:
Mark Webber failed in Q1 and has to start from 18. The team decided to take a risk in Q1 and riding without the soft tyres.
FML. why does webber have all the problems? |
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| roturn |
Posted on 16-04-2011 09:19
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I guess the team tests a lot with Webber to improve Vettel 
Same might happen with Massa for Alonso some times. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-04-2011 11:27
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iambennyboy wrote:
roturn wrote:
Mark Webber failed in Q1 and has to start from 18. The team decided to take a risk in Q1 and riding without the soft tyres.
FML. why does webber have all the problems? Vettel is a Red Bull driver ever since he's a driver. Vettel is German (in a pan-Germanic team), Vettel is the reigning world champion.
So, they'll make everything they can to make Vettel shine. Not that he needs it, he's genuinely talented, but they wouldn't want Webber to cast some shadow on Vettel, which more or less happened last year. Yet they'll claim they treat their drivers equally...
There were rumours of Helmut Marko (I'm close to scoring a Godwin point whenever I mention that scum bag) trying to break a part of Webber's gearbox, out of anger, with a crowbar or something, last year once Webber had beaten Vettel in quali.
Strangely enough, in 2008, when both car were worth crap Bourdais had no problem at Toro Rosso. Whenever he had a chance to match/beat Vettel, his car got problems, or he got the wrong strategy. He was neither German/Austrian, nor a Red Bull driver either...
I like Vettel and all, but Red Bull Racing and their Austrian gang are absolutely despicable, in my opinion. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 16-04-2011 12:13
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Rumours and accusations, imo.
Constructor's title is much more worth than an even-more-outstanding Vettel.
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| Rin |
Posted on 16-04-2011 12:58
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The constructors championship isn't that important for a team like Red Bull, it's that important for them like the 2nd or 3rd in a grand prix
You will remember more often a world champion then a constructors champion
A car maker or smaller teams are interested in a constructors championship, for the car makers it's some kind of prestige of "the best car maker" while the smaller teams are more interested in the "TV money pot" the better they are in the constructors championship, they will get more money
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| Rin |
Posted on 17-04-2011 10:44
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Spoiler Hamilton wins infront of Vettel and Webber
Everytime after the race Marko is at RTL to be interviewed and you can really see how delighted Marko was with Webbers 3rd place... not... As a team chef, I would be a bit disappointed with Vettel not winning because of some tyre problems, but 2 cars on the podium with Webber from 18th to 3rd you couldn't really see this coming, I would be very delighted with Webbers performance but Marko isn't.. I wonder why
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 17-04-2011 10:51
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Dont see the point of a spoiler tag, people should know not to check this thread if theyve not seen the race yet!
But another great race, after a year of everybody one stopping, it was great to see a 2 Stop vs 3 Stop strategy battle really come into play in the victory battle. Hamilton and Webber really drove well - Rosberg did well too, a strong Mercedes strategy to get him from a few seconds behind the front 3, to leading by 5 seconds after the 1st stop.
And damnit Button! Great start, but pitlane fail, and too long behind Massa late on, ultimately costing him a chance of holding off Webber.
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 17-04-2011 11:03
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Aquarius wrote:
iambennyboy wrote:
roturn wrote:
Mark Webber failed in Q1 and has to start from 18. The team decided to take a risk in Q1 and riding without the soft tyres.
FML. why does webber have all the problems? Vettel is a Red Bull driver ever since he's a driver. Vettel is German (in a pan-Germanic team), Vettel is the reigning world champion.
So, they'll make everything they can to make Vettel shine. Not that he needs it, he's genuinely talented, but they wouldn't want Webber to cast some shadow on Vettel, which more or less happened last year. Yet they'll claim they treat their drivers equally...
There were rumours of Helmut Marko (I'm close to scoring a Godwin point whenever I mention that scum bag) trying to break a part of Webber's gearbox, out of anger, with a crowbar or something, last year once Webber had beaten Vettel in quali.
Strangely enough, in 2008, when both car were worth crap Bourdais had no problem at Toro Rosso. Whenever he had a chance to match/beat Vettel, his car got problems, or he got the wrong strategy. He was neither German/Austrian, nor a Red Bull driver either...
I like Vettel and all, but Red Bull Racing and their Austrian gang are absolutely despicable, in my opinion.
True, although you could argue that most teams have a preferred driver with certain privileges. E.g Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher
Edit: Although no where near as partizan as Red Bull
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| siwi |
Posted on 17-04-2011 11:05
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Really good race today  go Hamilton! |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-04-2011 11:30
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
True, although you could argue that most teams have a preferred driver with certain privileges. E.g Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher
Edit: Although no where near as partizan as Red Bull Problem is not that they have a n°1 and a n°2.
Problem is that :
- they claim the opposite
- they'll choose to favour a Red Bull driver over a non-historically Red Bull one, regardless of talent
- they might go as far as to deliberately screw the non Red Bull driver of the pair, if that serves their purpose |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 17-04-2011 11:40
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Aquarius wrote:
stuartmcstuart wrote:
True, although you could argue that most teams have a preferred driver with certain privileges. E.g Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher
Edit: Although no where near as partizan as Red Bull Problem is not that they have a n°1 and a n°2.
Problem is that :
- they claim the opposite
- they'll choose to favour a Red Bull driver over a non-historically Red Bull one, regardless of talent
- they might go as far as to deliberately screw the non Red Bull driver of the pair, if that serves their purpose
They only say that they don't have number 1 and number 2 drivers so as not to lose the motivation of Webber. McLaren deploy the same tactic.
It is becoming obvious it is they don't give a damn about Webber, though. His car was crap for qualifying, his team just brush it off as an 'oh well, we'll fix it tomorrow'
McLaren don't have to sabotage Button's car though, he's capable of messing up his own race as witnessed earlier |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-04-2011 11:53
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Yeah, indeed. Button lacks a little of sheer speed (4 tenths per lap last season, rather 2 this one) to really match Hamilton. A little concentration to not pit at Red Bull either.
Yet if they might prefer Hamilton, they won't screw Button's race or be unhappy when he'll seldom beat Hamilton, which is far from being case at Red Bull.
To continue about Red Bull : even before this season had even started, Buemi and Alguersuari have been talking crap about each other in the media, in order to put pressure on the other, and to get Webber's seat next season. Apparently, one of them will get it, and Bortolotti will get a Toro Rosso seat (unless he gets a RBR one), whereas the "loser" of the two will have to find another team.
I'm quite sceptical about Red Bull Academy, to say the least.
Oh well, Spa 6 hours (endurance race) are in 3 weeks though, that thrills me much more. |
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| MitchNL |
Posted on 04-05-2011 21:47
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Ferrari want Nico Rosberg to take over the spot of Felipe Massa. Paul di Resta would take over Rosberg's spot, while Massa moves to Red Bull. Yeah right?! (Source: https://en.espnf1....P=OTC-RSS)
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-05-2011 21:54
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I read that too. Well, why not... I suppose it's mostly gossips so far though.
I also read (once again) that Ricciardo would replace Webber at Red Bull. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 04-05-2011 22:03
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Massa to Red Bull? Massa? I can't see it, to be honest. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-05-2011 22:21
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Yeh, I can see the Rosberg/Di Resta aspect of it but Massa? Seems like he'd struggle to get back in a top team - and particularly Red Bull, the team who so love their own developed drivers like Vettel and Ricciardo.
I suppose if they dont want Webber, and want Ricciardo to have a full season at Toro Rosso first without promoting a Toro Rosso driver, then Massa is an option on a 1 year deal
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| MitchNL |
Posted on 04-05-2011 22:34
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Rosberg isn't a bad driver for Ferrari, but I think Rosberg is in a period that he can become 1st Driver at a top team, not as 2nd man behind Alonso. |
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