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Ideas for 2012
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-11-2010 20:53
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Perhaps by the time the races are ready to go PCM11 will be out - but we cant really trust PCM11 to be stable straight away, PCM10 certainly wasnt - so probably best to work on the theory of switching just to PCM10 for now.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-11-2010 21:00
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I'm not sure that PCM10 is worth switching to, though (compared to PCM11).
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 21:03
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well 11 and 10 have the same stages so we will need new stages anyway, i'll start that next week
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-11-2010 21:03
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CrueTrue wrote:
I'm not sure that PCM10 is worth switching to, though (compared to PCM11).
We'll see.
But the initial question is, is it worth switching to, compared to PCM09. (And switching to PCM11 would require similar planning as switching to PCM10, with the focus largely on prologue stat and stages)
But anyway, still not even halfway done in the 2011 season I dont think 
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-11-2010 21:14
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You sound like you've got some info on PCM 11 Mike, anything important? |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 28-11-2010 21:23
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Having played quite a bit of pcm10 - I am scared by the thought of what would happen if you put races in the hands of the AI.
Cobbles - Lots of mass sprints - good for Gent Wegelum, but bad for Paris Roubaix
Hills and hilly stage races - not a huge amount of decisive moments. Hilly riders who can sprint are going to be the rage.
Grand Tours - Well these are pretty cool.
Sprints - Well sprint trains are no more - whether that's an improvement is a matter of opinion. The sprinters just come forward en masse and fight it out. Again a sprinter with a good hill stat is going to be fantastic.
Of course it can be experimented with and tried out, I personally have some misgivings...
The graphics and the overall geographic feel of the stages is far better in pcm 2010.
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 21:59
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"just make it so you can only take away a stat if it's higher than the one you add."
I will just make some interesting changes here:
Michael Rogers - 76MO, 85TT -> 80MO, 81TT (AW!)
Jerome Coppel - 74HI, 83TT -> 78HI, 79TT (Still trainable)
Mikhail Ignatiev - 75HI, 81END -> 78HI, 78END
Thomas Dekker - 83RES, 81 REC, 76HI, 79TT -> 81TT, 81 RES, 78HI, 79REC
Justo Tenorio - 83FIG, 58SPR -> 71FIG, 70SPR
Niels Albert - 83DH, 69 HI, 78COB, 63SPR -> 80COB, 76HI, 69SPR, 70DH
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 22:04
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I would probably be with the switching to PCM 11 rather than PCM 10... Perhaps we could take one more season of PCM 09, until the PCM 11 is really worth taking...
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| Roman |
Posted on 28-11-2010 23:32
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I think we shouldn't switch to PCM10, the game isn't worth of it.
I quite like the idea of the "retraining". Anyway, I think ACC, FT and DH plus maybe SP too should be untouchable.
For example:
Ignatiev now: FL 80, MO 66, HIL 75, TT 80, STA 81, RES 74, REC 77, COB 54, SP 72, ACC 82, FT 85, DH 55
Ignatiev then: FL 80, MO 66, HIL 80, TT 80, STA 81, RES 78, REC 77, COB 54, SP 72, ACC 80, FT 78, DH 55
So how I said, I think it will be much better to allow retraining only of main 9 attributes plus maybe without sprint too.
For example:
Ignatiev now: FL 80, MO 66, HIL 75, TT 80, STA 81, RES 74, REC 77, COB 54, SP 72, ACC 82, FT 85, DH 55
FL 79, MO 66, HIL 78, TT 80, STA 79, RES 74, REC 77, COB 54, SP 72, ACC 82, FT 85, DH 55
And then I see here a question: +1 attribute / - 1 attribute? I think that it's too profitable, maybe it would be better +1 attribute / -2 attributes..
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| Setzel |
Posted on 28-11-2010 23:42
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I dunno how u fell about my proposal but there are a lot of riders underrated in the db because the original db is so old riders like tony martin are very bad i can let him to be a Fa and maybe Sn revamp him and other riders like him and if u want him back bid and hopefully u get a revamped rider who like in real life is good .
Just a thought dont burn me in the flames
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-11-2010 23:50
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Setzel wrote:
I dunno how u fell about my proposal but there are a lot of riders underrated in the db because the original db is so old riders like tony martin are very bad i can let him to be a Fa and maybe Sn revamp him and other riders like him and if u want him back bid and hopefully u get a revamped rider who like in real life is good .
Just a thought dont burn me in the flames
Yeh, Ive done similar in the past. If you dont renew Martin's contract, I would alter his stats to make him a better rider - not necessarilly an 80+ time trialer, but still a much more useful rider than at the moment.
But if you have a rider like that, who is better in real life, and you release him so that he gets a stats boost, there is of course no guarantee that youll be able to successfully get him back again.
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| Setzel |
Posted on 28-11-2010 23:53
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Well what i would like to happen from this move is to make the db a little more realistical we will be in 2012 just a year ahead of the real date so will be nice to pm every manager and tell them they have a rider that can be revamped and if they are willing to let him fa then we have a little more deph in the db and no more crazy bid wars , just a thought.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-11-2010 00:16
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There will always be crazy bid wars 
But is there an absolute necessity to mirror real life? The Man Game db is already very separate from real life stats wise, an entity in itself.
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 29-11-2010 00:20
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Maybe just switch a few names around: ex Phinney and Van Garderen. I guess its not that big of a deal.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-11-2010 00:22
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About the stats changing thing -- not a fan of it in the way that it's been suggested here.
I'd prefer one for older riders who can transform from being e.g. a sprinter to a cobbles rider. There are plenty of real life examples of it,
Still, don't really see much of a need for a system like this. |
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| Heine |
Posted on 29-11-2010 09:56
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Btw, no matter what I've written before there is 1 thing we need to consider. It's a pretty simple thing called KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid). This is a game based on poeple using their sparetime (specially the poeple who make the stages, the DB and the reports, but also everyone playing), therefor we need to remember that the changes made should not raise the workload too much.
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| SotD |
Posted on 29-11-2010 10:11
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Agreed, and I don't really see the need for people to alter too many stats. Some people have riders where they could get a superstar, instead of a pretty good allrounder. Others, like myself, I don't have any riders worth altering, so it wouldn't be all too fair to implement that in the middle of it all.
I would much rather have the way that we have had the previous seasons. Riders sent to FA will be altered by SN in order to reflect on the Real Life, but come on. We are never going to get close anyway. Who in their right mind would want to let Zabriskie, Cunego or Bennati go? They will never be altered...
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| Heine |
Posted on 29-11-2010 11:42
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Btw, as poeple talked about more teams becuse there are some races with 4-5 teams. Why not give the teams (not the riders) more racedays? 175 or 200. That would fill up the races but also make it more valuable to have well rounded squads. Just a counter-suggestion to more teams
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| Rin |
Posted on 29-11-2010 14:59
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Just 1 idea:
I think there should be some "talent developing refund" if a young rider goes FA or will be bought from a team and gained XP from 1-3 level last season
Maybe there could be a restriction to this, as I think the money could be used more to pay transfer fees instead on training riders, so that money you become, could be used just on training young riders?
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 29-11-2010 15:15
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What about a draft for the game's best young talents?
The riders with level 3 and 4 experience would be drafted by the PT teams and the others by the CT teams.
And about the stats changing, maybe you could do that only in the last 2 or 3 years before their stats start to decline, but no major changes and without taking points from the secondary stats.
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