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Likeable and unlikeable doping sinners?
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| semmellance1 |
Posted on 02-01-2011 23:34
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hillis91 wrote:
Everybody of them maybe the nicest guy in the univers, but they are all dopers that should never return to the sport.
that's right and also my opinion....thx |
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| semmellance1 |
Posted on 20-04-2011 16:57
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semmellance1 wrote:
This is a new thrad wich everyone can say how is a likeable or a unlikeable doping sinner?
My opinion:
-Likeable:
Basso
Vinokurov
Kohl
Dekker
Pettachi
Pantani
Rijs
-Unlikeable:
Valverde
Contador
Mosquera
Sella
Rasmussen
Zabel
Miller
Schumacher
Ullrich
Di Luca
Pellizotti
What do you think about ??? Comment pls...
My NEW opinion:
My opinion:
-Likeable:
Basso
Vinokurov
Kohl
Dekker
Pettachi
Pantani
Rijs
-Unlikeable:
Valverde
Contador
Mosquera
Ricco
Sella
Rasmussen
Zabel
Miller
Schumacher
Ullrich
Di Luca
Pellizotti
Sinkewitz
Asterloza
-Really unlikeable
RICCARDO RICCO
Edited by semmellance1 on 20-04-2011 16:57
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-04-2011 18:08
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Where do you rank Indurain in that list ?  |
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 20-04-2011 18:21
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what is Sinkewitz doing in "unlikeable"?
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
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| Crommy |
Posted on 20-04-2011 18:23
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sam1196 wrote:
what is Sinkewitz doing in "unlikeable"?
More to the point, what is Vino still doing in likeable?
Edited by Crommy on 20-04-2011 18:23
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 20-04-2011 19:23
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The only likeable on that list is Zabel, he was and will ever be great |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 20-04-2011 21:47
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Crommy wrote:
sam1196 wrote:
what is Sinkewitz doing in "unlikeable"?
More to the point, what is Vino still doing in likeable?
He makes races fun, the stage he won in last years tour de France was the sort of racing that would get everyone partying in the streets if he was French.
I don't like him, but if he always livens up a race.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 21-04-2011 00:19
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mb2612 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
sam1196 wrote:
what is Sinkewitz doing in "unlikeable"?
More to the point, what is Vino still doing in likeable?
He makes races fun, the stage he won in last years tour de France was the sort of racing that would get everyone partying in the streets if he was French.
I don't like him, but if he always livens up a race.
So do many other riders. Who are not quite so obviously doped up/haven't been caught/show no remorse for being caught.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-04-2011 09:35
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To be fair on Vino, there aren't so many riders who race as offensive/crazy as him. And if you criticize him for showing no remorse for "being caught", shouldn't you criticize also Basso, who didn't recognise he doped? Actually, from that list (Kohl aside) I only remember Basso showing remorse for his "failed" attempt to dope, and Dekker, who of course only doped once. 
Not defending Vino at all, the guy is a jerk, but these lists are completely subjective, and you can't really criticize someone for something like that. Also, it's not clear whether the people are classifying for personality or racing style reasons. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 21-04-2011 09:50
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kumazan wrote:
To be fair on Vino, there aren't so many riders who race as offensive/crazy as him. And if you criticize him for showing no remorse for "being caught", shouldn't you criticize also Basso, who didn't recognise he doped? Actually, from that list (Kohl aside) I only remember Basso showing remorse for his "failed" attempt to dope, and Dekker, who of course only doped once.
Not defending Vino at all, the guy is a jerk, but these lists are completely subjective, and you can't really criticize someone for something like that. Also, it's not clear whether the people are classifying for personality or racing style reasons.
My criticism is also completely subjective. So I can criticise someone for their subjective view 
And I didn't criticise the others (I could) because I have a particular hatred of Vino
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| semmellance1 |
Posted on 22-04-2011 16:34
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Aquarius wrote:
Where do you rank Indurain in that list ?
Definitely likeable...but he was never caught or???  |
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| semmellance1 |
Posted on 22-04-2011 16:37
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sam1196 wrote:
what is Sinkewitz doing in "unlikeable"?
Because he still denies everything...in my opinion should a doper admit it...then he can always come back again |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 22-04-2011 17:01
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semmellance1 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Where do you rank Indurain in that list ?
Definitely likeable...but he was never caught or???
Well, he did win during the doping era so by that reasoning he is considered doped by many people. At least that is a popular comment when referencing Armstrong. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-04-2011 18:36
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And that's the sole evidence against Armstrong, isn't it ?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-04-2011 18:47
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He tested positive at the Circuit de la Sarthe in 1994. He got away with it because.....no reason in particular. Hein "Mr. Corruption" Verbruggen was UCI president and it wouldn't look good in the press if the world's biggest star was busted.
And no, he didn't have a TUE
Also, there's the sworn testimony in court of his teammate Thomas Davy that there was organized doping in the Banesto team. Not that that would surprise anyone.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-04-2011 19:16
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Crommy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
To be fair on Vino, there aren't so many riders who race as offensive/crazy as him. And if you criticize him for showing no remorse for "being caught", shouldn't you criticize also Basso, who didn't recognise he doped? Actually, from that list (Kohl aside) I only remember Basso showing remorse for his "failed" attempt to dope, and Dekker, who of course only doped once.
Not defending Vino at all, the guy is a jerk, but these lists are completely subjective, and you can't really criticize someone for something like that. Also, it's not clear whether the people are classifying for personality or racing style reasons.
My criticism is also completely subjective. So I can criticise someone for their subjective view
And I didn't criticise the others (I could) because I have a particular hatred of Vino
Yes, of course. And my post was nothing but a subjective comment over a subjective criticism over a subjective opinion.
Actually, the point of my post (point which wasn't directed to you, by the way, I just used your post as an example to what I was trying to say) is that sometimes people try to hide their hatred to some riders behind the fact that they take/took PEDs, while they openly cheer other dopers. Which is not bad, just hypocrite. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-04-2011 22:25
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kumazan wrote:
To be fair on Vino, there aren't so many riders who race as offensive/crazy as him. And if you criticize him for showing no remorse for "being caught", shouldn't you criticize also Basso, who didn't recognise he doped? Actually, from that list (Kohl aside) I only remember Basso showing remorse for his "failed" attempt to dope, and Dekker, who of course only doped once.
Not defending Vino at all, the guy is a jerk, but these lists are completely subjective, and you can't really criticize someone for something like that. Also, it's not clear whether the people are classifying for personality or racing style reasons.
Stay with it Kumazan. You appearently missed the gigantic huge article on both AD.nl and cyclingnews where Dekker admitted he doped for a long period up to 2008. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 23-04-2011 04:37
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Aquarius wrote:
And that's the sole evidence against Armstrong, isn't it ?
Not exactly what I said. I don't want to ruin this discussion talking about Armstrong. Maybe I should have said "one of the reasons". That would probably make you happy. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 23-04-2011 04:39
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Like Vino or not and I can't stand the guy but I have to admit Vino is fun to watch race |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-04-2011 07:36
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I only do likeable list:
Miller
Basso (when ex dopers publish theyr last test and blood values..then Basso is the one wich one I like to believe. For example Lance blood readings publishing was total fiasko)
Zabel
Riis (last two had balls to admit it before the headline news)
Pantani (this guy just was 100% cyclist and he's fans was running after him..what ever he did..they just wanted to see him riding again)
Edited by Guido Mukk on 23-04-2011 07:37
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