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Posted on 21-03-2013 21:06
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I find racism always a very interesting discussion topic because it's so culturally charged. There's so many facets to it that it's hard to define and explain.
Take for example the job thing. In Holland 7.7% of the working population is unemployed. Employers/HR people have become nazis when it comes to job interviews and applications, simply because they can with 140 applicants for one job. People are being discriminated when it comes to finding a job, but it's not just immigrants: also older people, people with not enough experience, women, people with a minor disability, anything they can find.
On the other hand, you have people who are too eager blame something on their skin colour or whatever: see Ali G and his 'Is it cos I is black?'. Then there's the concept of course of white guilt. I have lost count of the number of American TV shows where some black person tries to make some white person feel guilty by saying 'you owe me, because of slavery' even though slavery in the US was abolished like 150 years ago. All of this has become part of our culture.
In Holland there's a traditional festivity in december called Sinterklaas (see the link to Santa Claus), where an old white saint arrives per boat to give presents to all the children, together with his legion of acrobatic black helpers:
This often is seen as completely racist but the truth is that it's the far opposite. In the end, things can always be easily connected to racism. I think that racism is something people claim when they don't understand the subject/problem at hand and just look at what's on the surface to explain it.
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Posted on 21-03-2013 21:16
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Where I live there are very few non-ethnic British people. So instead of racism we have discrimination against the non-rich. Being of Irish ancestry, and from an area of the UK with a bad reputation, its hard not to get sick of the rich morons who think they rule the place and have mummy and daddy paying for everything. It's a different situation, but its still wrong. |
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Posted on 01-04-2013 10:02
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Since the "De Ronde-thread" is being flooded with discussion over sexist remarks from Sagan, maybe we should moveit over here?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 01-04-2013 10:33
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To be honest I don't think there's much to talk about. What are we, the judge and jury here?
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 16-04-2013 09:46
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The Boston-bombings are horrible news. I can not imagine what those people must be feeling right now, you've just completed a marathon, something you've worked hard for and then your legs get blown off.
Currently 3 dead and 144 injured, the youngest victim is 3 years old and the youngest casualty was 8.
This was nothing but a shameless and covardly act aimed solely at innocent civilians, people who have no part to play in the circumstances.
It is true that several people have been murdered in bombings in both Iraq and Afganistan today (30 in Afganhistan and 40 in Iraq form what I heard) and sadly it doesn't make the news. It is to be expected however since bombings in the Middle East doesn't sell newspapers anymore, it's to be expected. A bombing in an unsuspecting region is, unsurprisingly, much more newsworthy.
I choose to believe that the media attention doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's in Boston, I think it would have generated as much fuzz had it been in Berlin, Sofia, Paris or Brussels.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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Posted on 16-04-2013 10:02
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cactus-jack wrote:
I choose to believe that the media attention doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's in Boston, I think it would have generated as much fuzz had it been in Berlin, Sofia, Paris or Brussels.
Correct, as those are still western countries. How about if the bombimg was in Addis Abeba, Ulan Bator or Colcata?
This is big news because it's in the US, and is of course a tragic event, but IMO the news coverage is way overexagerating.
I wonder how many died/got injured from a bad working environment in the US yesterday? Or how many died in Afghanistan and Iraq, how many died from hunger? How many died from AIDS because the catholic church says they go to hell if they use a condom? How many war veterans have killed themselves because of the way society treats them when they return?
3 deaths and 100 injured are tragic for the ones involved and their families, but covering it like this is almost disrespectful to all the people how gets hit by tragedies that could have been avoided every day.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-04-2013 10:22
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I agree Atlantius, only one thing. You forgot to mention underage children that died or have their bodies damaged for life, because they work in US factories in China and rest of Asia, for two dollars per day.
I am yet to see that as the breaking news on CNN or some tries to stop that.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 16-04-2013 10:38
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I agree Atlantius, only one thing. You forgot to mention underage children that died or have their bodies damaged for life, because they work in US factories in China and rest of Asia, for two dollars per day.
I am yet to see that as the breaking news on CNN or some tries to stop that.
...while making the shoes and clothes the Boston victims was wearing...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-04-2013 10:45
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Atlantius wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I agree Atlantius, only one thing. You forgot to mention underage children that died or have their bodies damaged for life, because they work in US factories in China and rest of Asia, for two dollars per day.
I am yet to see that as the breaking news on CNN or some tries to stop that.
...while making the shoes and clothes the Boston victims was wearing...
Or the Ipad you're using to type this message? 
Media coverage is a strange and particularly economic thing. That's why you'll never get reports from Africa, poor Asian people and most Middle East bombings. But that's mostly the Popular Media. There are other media sites and communities that are focused on bringing relevant and un-biased news. In Belgium, there is a site: The World Tomorrow (dewereldmorgen) which is an online news site, but with much better and down to earth articles than the politically tinted newspapers. |
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Posted on 16-04-2013 11:01
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Printing a story about people dying in the Middle East or Africa isn't really considered news anymore. Not because it's in those parts of the world, but rather because we are so used to it that we don't tihnk twice when we hear about it.
That is, unless it's something "extraordinary". A friend of mine has some major beef with the US for several reasons (his house being bombed by US/NATO-forces being one of them) and he kept ranting during lunch today about how they "deserved" it and how American lives appearantly were worth more than other lives.
He shut up soon after I pointed out that one of the victims was 8 years old. I think that the biggest problem today isn't the bombings them self, but rather this "eye for an eye-mentality".
"Never forget" doesn't hurt anyone, but "never forgive" will kill us all.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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Posted on 16-04-2013 11:14
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cactus-jack wrote:
Printing a story about people dying in the Middle East or Africa isn't really considered news anymore. Not because it's in those parts of the world, but rather because we are so used to it that we don't tihnk twice when we hear about it.
That is, unless it's something "extraordinary". A friend of mine has some major beef with the US for several reasons (his house being bombed by US/NATO-forces being one of them) and he kept ranting during lunch today about how they "deserved" it and how American lives appearantly were worth more than other lives.
He shut up soon after I pointed out that one of the victims was 8 years old. I think that the biggest problem today isn't the bombings them self, but rather this "eye for an eye-mentality".
"Never forget" doesn't hurt anyone, but "never forgive" will kill us all.
So basically,you're thinking that America is more important than , Iran,Afganistan,Palestina? Many 8years old are dying every day at these countries without anyone speaking about it. I am christian,but this is same stuff as with 11 September, literally, their people attacked buildings just to accuse muslim countries and attack on them. I repeat,i'm not on anyones side but think little bit! Also, when it comes to that i read both Quran and Bible and some strange thing is in Quran. I dont think i remember whole sentence so i won't quote it but it goes like. Ah , i found it on internet , here it goes
The day was 11
The month was 9
The building contains 110 floors.
Now, remember the figure. (11 - 9 - 110)
Open the Holy Quran. In Paarah # 11, Surah # 9, Aayat # 110.
It says clearly.
LAA YAZAAL BUNYAAN -HUM 'ALLADHE BANAW REBAH FE QULOB -HIM
'ILLAA 'AN TAQAT.T.AcA QULOB -HUM WA- 'ALLAAH cALEM H.AKEM"
"THE BUILDING, WHICH THEY BUILT, WILL NEVER CEASE TO BE A MISGIVING
IN THEIR HEARTS UNLESS THEIR HEARTS BE TORN TO PIECES. ALLAH IS
KNOWER & WISE".
I mean,there is just too much matchings to be random stuff. Think about it,sorry for this,its maybe a bit too offensive and OFF TOPIC but , just to notice. About topic,as i say,just too much media campaign. AGAIN , ITS DISASTER,BUT SAME THINGS HAPPENIN' EVERY DAY AND NOONE IS SPEAKING ABOUT THEM.
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Posted on 16-04-2013 11:22
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TTspecialist wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
Printing a story about people dying in the Middle East or Africa isn't really considered news anymore. Not because it's in those parts of the world, but rather because we are so used to it that we don't tihnk twice when we hear about it.
That is, unless it's something "extraordinary". A friend of mine has some major beef with the US for several reasons (his house being bombed by US/NATO-forces being one of them) and he kept ranting during lunch today about how they "deserved" it and how American lives appearantly were worth more than other lives.
He shut up soon after I pointed out that one of the victims was 8 years old. I think that the biggest problem today isn't the bombings them self, but rather this "eye for an eye-mentality".
"Never forget" doesn't hurt anyone, but "never forgive" will kill us all.
So basically,you're thinking that America is more important than , Iran,Afganistan,Palestina? Many 8years old are dying every day at these countries without anyone speaking about it. I am christian,but this is same stuff as with 11 September, literally, their people attacked buildings just to accuse muslim countries and attack on them. I repeat,i'm not on anyones side but think little bit!
Please tell me where in my post I said that. Read it again and come back to me.
Infact, did you even read it at all?
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| TTspecialist |
Posted on 16-04-2013 11:31
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"Printing a story about people dying in the Middle East or Africa isn't really considered news anymore. Not because it's in those parts of the world, but rather because we are so used to it that we don't tihnk twice when we hear about it. "
Well,i mean,i was a bit too offensive. I read it few times, and pointing that bomb attacks and killings at Africa are not "extraordinary" while in USA its disaster is wrong (in case that we want to be fair).
" "Never forget" doesn't hurt anyone, but "never forgive" will kill us all. " -> Totally agree with that!
Also,America is now probably going to accuse North Korea or Arabians and make 1 more reason to attack them. Thats my view.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 16-04-2013 11:39
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In no way did I mean to insinuate that a bombing/explosion in non-Western parts of the world arn't important, I'm simply making the statement that people have gotten so used to hearing about it that it's hardly considered news anymore. It's important, yes, but you arn't shocked. And that, shock value, is what the media thrives upon. Big, bold letters, usually in a contrasting colour such as red or white against a black background.
Think about Syria; a month back it was all over the news. Now, with North Korea among others, you'll hardly hear anything about it in the main stream media. It doesn't captivate anymore. Newsagencies are businesses like any others.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-04-2013 12:21
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cactus-jack wrote:
I think it would have generated as much fuzz had it been in Berlin, Sofia, Paris or Brussels.
You are right about Berlin, Paris and Brussels.
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Posted on 16-04-2013 14:53
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In reply to Sutty, Cactus and Avin from the Café thread:
sutty68 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Waking up to 4 new pages in Cafe Pedro, something big must've happened.
Bombings in Boston... That's bad.
But I guess we already knew the world's going down the crapper. Honestly, I don't get why I actually bother to get a diploma, in ten years time we're all gonna get wiped away from the face of the earth.
Yes, I'm an optimist.
Your spot on mate, we are never going to rid the World of Evil no matter how hard we try 
cactus-jack wrote:
The evil of the world is like a snake, cut of its head and the rest will die.
Therefor, cut of Pat McQuaids head.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
You would have to cut all the heads on the world, because Evil is not somewhere in the soil on in the air, it is in people. It also comes with a stupidity hand by hand.
You can start chopping heads but that was done before and did not lead to anything good.
The only thing you can do is to reflect your own actions and try to avoid what you don't like. Trying to change other people implies that you know what is good, and sadly this is the root of all evil. |
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Posted on 16-04-2013 16:37
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There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-04-2013 17:50
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A very difficult topic, extremely difficult:
Justin Bieber went to visit the Achterhuis in The Netherlands, which was the home of Anne Frank (don't know how "famous" she is internationally), a jewish girl in WWII who kept a diary etc, was killed.
He wrote in the guest book - I hope she was a belieber.
What a douch |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-04-2013 17:54
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Ian Butler wrote:
A very difficult topic, extremely difficult:
Justin Bieber went to visit the Achterhuis in The Netherlands, which was the home of Anne Frank (don't know how "famous" she is internationally), a jewish girl in WWII who kept a diary etc, was killed.
He wrote in the guest book - I hope she was a belieber.
What a douch
I don't get why everyone is angry frankly.
1) He went to the museum at all. He could easily have been doing alot of worse things in the Netherlands
2) He is a 19yo American Celeb. He was clearly never going to write anything profound.
3) What he wrote was not offensive in any way at all. He just wanted another fan, whats wrong with that?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-04-2013 17:55
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I'm not angry. I just think he's a dumbass. Is that the only thing he can come up with? A WWII victim, millions died: I hope they were all beliebers.
He's just such a dumbass, it's hard to believe |
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