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Tour de France 11 Stage 18: Pinerolo > Galibier Serre Chavalier 200km
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| Roman |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:36
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Crommy wrote:
Dear people who still think Cadel is a wheelsucker,
Would you kindly shut up.
Sincerely,
Crommy
Yeah, really, he force me to change my mind today. He really isn't wheelsucker anymore in my mind. He maybe save his win in this Tour today on the last climb.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:37
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ZeHowly wrote:
New record in lowest number of cyclists finishing Tour de France, the previous number was 170, if I'm correct.
10. 1904.
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:38
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goddammit rojas deserved the green jersey. why to the officials bend the rules?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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| ZeHowly |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:38
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doddy13 wrote:
ZeHowly wrote:
New record in lowest number of cyclists finishing Tour de France, the previous number was 170, if I'm correct.
10. 1904. Modern times. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:39
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doddy13 wrote:
ZeHowly wrote:
New record in lowest number of cyclists finishing Tour de France, the previous number was 170, if I'm correct.
10. 1904.
And even in terms of modern day TdFs, only 96 finished in 1998, for example
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:40
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doddy13 wrote:
ZeHowly wrote:
New record in lowest number of cyclists finishing Tour de France, the previous number was 170, if I'm correct.
10. 1904.
But I think less people started those days, or did more?
Nonetheless would have been awesome to watch.
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| Martin_TB |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:40
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cactus-jack wrote:
The time limit is the most pointless rule in the TdF... so what if alot of riders finishes outside it, then they didn't do well enough!
Two question:
1. What happens if a rider finished outside the limit, but still ahead of the bus and the bus is allowed back in? Does the lonely rider get to start to?
I assume that everyone who finished in front of the bus is also allowed in, but with the same penalty. However, with race radio there is no reason for someone to finish in the wilderness between the grupetto and the back of the peleton.
2. What if there's someone who can't even keep up with the bus and say 7-8 riders finishes just behind the bus? Would they be eliminated? If they would be then that's an amazing show of UNfareness. That's like saying "none of you were good enough, but because they were 50 riders and you only 8 then you won't get to start.
The bus drivers always try to get the bus to the finish just inside the time, using the least amount of energy necessary to get it there. Riding in the bus is like the peleton, you are protected from the wind and you take turns on the front, so you use a lot less energy than being on your own.
If you are so tired you can't even get into the bus, then it won't wait and you get kicked out....
Either enforce the rule or get rid of it because this way is just pointless. It shouldn't matter how many riders finishes outside the limit, it is nothing more then just a kick in the gonads to those who cam outside the limit on a previous stage.
The rule only applies IF there are more than 20% of the peleton in the bus and IF they jury allows it.
If the jury thinks that the Bus made no effort to get in on time, they can let all of them go home.
In this case over 50% of the peleton was in the bus, and it was highly unlikely they would be kicked out. |
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| gilles23 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:42
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alan peiper said the amount of points was the same as the winner of today (Andy) takes so 20 points so Rojas wears green tomorow |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:42
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
goddammit rojas deserved the green jersey. why to the officials bend the rules?
They do not
Remember the 20%-rule in the rule.
@gilles: 320 - 20 = 300 > 285
Edited by felix_29 on 21-07-2011 17:44
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:42
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Roman wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Dear people who still think Cadel is a wheelsucker,
Would you kindly shut up.
Sincerely,
Crommy
Yeah, really, he force me to change my mind today. He really isn't wheelsucker anymore in my mind. He maybe save his win in this Tour today on the last climb.
Today?
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| gilles23 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:42
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or did Cav had 320 points this morning?
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:44
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Martin_TB wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
The time limit is the most pointless rule in the TdF... so what if alot of riders finishes outside it, then they didn't do well enough!
Two question:
1. What happens if a rider finished outside the limit, but still ahead of the bus and the bus is allowed back in? Does the lonely rider get to start to?
I assume that everyone who finished in front of the bus is also allowed in, but with the same penalty. However, with race radio there is no reason for someone to finish in the wilderness between the grupetto and the back of the peleton.
2. What if there's someone who can't even keep up with the bus and say 7-8 riders finishes just behind the bus? Would they be eliminated? If they would be then that's an amazing show of UNfareness. That's like saying "none of you were good enough, but because they were 50 riders and you only 8 then you won't get to start.
The bus drivers always try to get the bus to the finish just inside the time, using the least amount of energy necessary to get it there. Riding in the bus is like the peleton, you are protected from the wind and you take turns on the front, so you use a lot less energy than being on your own.
If you are so tired you can't even get into the bus, then it won't wait and you get kicked out....
Either enforce the rule or get rid of it because this way is just pointless. It shouldn't matter how many riders finishes outside the limit, it is nothing more then just a kick in the gonads to those who cam outside the limit on a previous stage.
The rule only applies IF there are more than 20% of the peleton in the bus and IF they jury allows it.
If the jury thinks that the Bus made no effort to get in on time, they can let all of them go home.
In this case over 50% of the peleton was in the bus, and it was highly unlikely they would be kicked out.
i still think it's wrong to let them back in no matter how many riders finishes outside the limit. The rule is there and if this happens then it happens. If that means a peloton with 80 riders +/- then so be it. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:45
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gilles23 wrote:
or did Cav had 320 points this morning?
Yes, Cavendish now has 300 points to Rojas' 285
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:45
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gilles23 wrote:
or did Cav had 320 points this morning?
Yes, he did
Cav has already been on the podium to take the jersey
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:46
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cactus-jack wrote:
Martin_TB wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
The time limit is the most pointless rule in the TdF... so what if alot of riders finishes outside it, then they didn't do well enough!
Two question:
1. What happens if a rider finished outside the limit, but still ahead of the bus and the bus is allowed back in? Does the lonely rider get to start to?
I assume that everyone who finished in front of the bus is also allowed in, but with the same penalty. However, with race radio there is no reason for someone to finish in the wilderness between the grupetto and the back of the peleton.
2. What if there's someone who can't even keep up with the bus and say 7-8 riders finishes just behind the bus? Would they be eliminated? If they would be then that's an amazing show of UNfareness. That's like saying "none of you were good enough, but because they were 50 riders and you only 8 then you won't get to start.
The bus drivers always try to get the bus to the finish just inside the time, using the least amount of energy necessary to get it there. Riding in the bus is like the peleton, you are protected from the wind and you take turns on the front, so you use a lot less energy than being on your own.
If you are so tired you can't even get into the bus, then it won't wait and you get kicked out....
Either enforce the rule or get rid of it because this way is just pointless. It shouldn't matter how many riders finishes outside the limit, it is nothing more then just a kick in the gonads to those who cam outside the limit on a previous stage.
The rule only applies IF there are more than 20% of the peleton in the bus and IF they jury allows it.
If the jury thinks that the Bus made no effort to get in on time, they can let all of them go home.
In this case over 50% of the peleton was in the bus, and it was highly unlikely they would be kicked out.
i still think it's wrong to let them back in no matter how many riders finishes outside the limit. The rule is there and if this happens then it happens. If that means a peloton with 80 riders +/- then so be it.
But the rule you want to be invoked has the exception included in the same rule. So basically, Cavendish is right to be allowed to continue the race.
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:46
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tomorrow night rojas will be in green with 285 vs Cav 280 (or out of the race) |
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| Martin_TB |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:46
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gilles23 wrote:
or did Cav had 320 points this morning?
Yes:
This morning
1. CAVENDISH Mark 171 HTC - HIGHROAD 320 pts
2. ROJAS Jose Joaquin 88 MOVISTAR TEAM 285 pts
3. GILBERT Philippe 32 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 250 pts
4. HUSHOVD Thor 51 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 235 pts
5. HAGEN Edvald Boasson 114 SKY PROCYCLING 173 pts
6. GREIPEL André 33 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 170 pts
7. EVANS Cadel 141 BMC RACING TEAM 165 pts
8. FARRAR Tyler 54 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 141 pts
9. DELAGE Mickaël 133 FDJ 122 pts
10. ROY Jérémy 138 FDJ 107 pts
This evening
1. CAVENDISH Mark 171 HTC - HIGHROAD 300 pts
2. ROJAS Jose Joaquin 88 MOVISTAR TEAM 285 pts
3. GILBERT Philippe 32 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 230 pts
4. HUSHOVD Thor 51 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 215 pts
5. EVANS Cadel 141 BMC RACING TEAM 180 pts
6. HAGEN Edvald Boasson 114 SKY PROCYCLING 153 pts
7. GREIPEL André 33 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 150 pts
8. FARRAR Tyler 54 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 121 pts
9. DELAGE Mickaël 133 FDJ 102 pts
10. ROY Jérémy 138 FDJ 87 pts |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:47
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titleist82 wrote:
tomorrow night rojas will be in green with 285 vs Cav 280 (or out of the race)
And then Cavendish will take it back in Paris.
A scenario I can deal with.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:48
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titleist82 wrote:
tomorrow night rojas will be in green with 285 vs Cav 280 (or out of the race)
Or inside the time limit
But yes, I feel that Cav now just has to make sure he finishes in the Grupetto and the Green is his - regardless of being in the time limit or not - he can easily overturn a 5 point deficit on Rojas on the final day.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 17:50
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SportingNonsense wrote:
titleist82 wrote:
tomorrow night rojas will be in green with 285 vs Cav 280 (or out of the race)
Or inside the time limit
But yes, I feel that Cav now just has to make sure he finishes in the Grupetto and the Green is his - regardless of being in the time limit or not - he can easily overturn a 5 point deficit on Rojas on the final day.
Yes as a Rojas fan, I have to hope Cav is unlucky the next few days, or else its his for sure.
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