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Giro d'Italia 2011 - Week 3
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-05-2011 20:54
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Crommy, you have to start listening to other comedians too or eventually you're going to become a creepy Bill Bailey stalker.
Otherwise you're going to end up being the guy at his shows who shouts "You are the great bearded one and I must dance ah-ha-ah-aa"
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| Crommy |
Posted on 30-05-2011 21:01
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issoisso wrote:
Crommy, you have to start listening to other comedians too or eventually you're going to become a creepy Bill Bailey stalker.
Otherwise you're going to end up being the guy at his shows who shouts "You are the great bearded one and I must dance ah-ha-ah-aa"
End up? I'm already there.
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| ruben |
Posted on 31-05-2011 16:07
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hellboy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
should we add Kreuziger is dissapoitment list..or he is there where he is ? He is still young ofcorse. But he talks already as big man.
He is young as you said,in 5 years nobody ahead of him except Conta(maybe) will not be competing.And about that big man talk,yes he was talking about podium,but in the end he nearly reach it as i find Contador and Gadret very suspicious  .To sum it up,i hoped for little bit more,but i am not dissapointed at the end
I'm not too confident of Kreuziger, yes he is still young but for example Kruijswijk being stronger as the Giro get's further and Kreuziger getting weaker is not a good sign.
Also the fact that Kruijswijk had already lost 1'30 to Castelfidardo because he went into the breakaway which he never should have as GC rider. the difference then is only 0'30 in pure climbing time
If Kreuziger in such a mountainous GT can only ride 30 seconds faster than Kruijswijk who is 2 years younger I don't see him have anything against the top riders. Which was proven because Nibali was 5 minutes better and Contador 11/12. Which confirms Kreuzigers last years TDF result...12 minutes behind the best
Kreuziger isn't improving, for the 3rd year in a row now |
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| Kami |
Posted on 31-05-2011 16:35
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Kreuziger is certainly not a bad rider, but i think that they demanded to much of him at Liquigas, in the way of letting him ride to many races (mostly in support of Basso or Nibali). 2 GT's at the age of 23 and 24 can't really be that beneficial. Might have influence on his development.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 31-05-2011 16:49
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Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Crommy, you have to start listening to other comedians too or eventually you're going to become a creepy Bill Bailey stalker.
Otherwise you're going to end up being the guy at his shows who shouts "You are the great bearded one and I must dance ah-ha-ah-aa"
End up? I'm already there.
Surely then you would be the guy who goes to all of his gigs and yells out "Oud! Oud!"
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| Crommy |
Posted on 31-05-2011 17:05
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CountArach wrote:
Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Crommy, you have to start listening to other comedians too or eventually you're going to become a creepy Bill Bailey stalker.
Otherwise you're going to end up being the guy at his shows who shouts "You are the great bearded one and I must dance ah-ha-ah-aa"
End up? I'm already there.
Surely then you would be the guy who goes to all of his gigs and yells out "Oud! Oud!"
At our one, we asked throughout the whole show - "Is it a Lute?"
Edited by Crommy on 31-05-2011 17:05
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Posted on 31-05-2011 21:48
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Just took another look at the GC, and I've noticed there were only 2 italians in the top-10 and only 6 in the top-30, I can't remember this happening for a long time. |
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| hellboy |
Posted on 01-06-2011 08:25
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ruben wrote:
hellboy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
should we add Kreuziger is dissapoitment list..or he is there where he is ? He is still young ofcorse. But he talks already as big man.
He is young as you said,in 5 years nobody ahead of him except Conta(maybe) will not be competing.And about that big man talk,yes he was talking about podium,but in the end he nearly reach it as i find Contador and Gadret very suspicious .To sum it up,i hoped for little bit more,but i am not dissapointed at the end
I'm not too confident of Kreuziger, yes he is still young but for example Kruijswijk being stronger as the Giro get's further and Kreuziger getting weaker is not a good sign.
Also the fact that Kruijswijk had already lost 1'30 to Castelfidardo because he went into the breakaway which he never should have as GC rider. the difference then is only 0'30 in pure climbing time
If Kreuziger in such a mountainous GT can only ride 30 seconds faster than Kruijswijk who is 2 years younger I don't see him have anything against the top riders. Which was proven because Nibali was 5 minutes better and Contador 11/12. Which confirms Kreuzigers last years TDF result...12 minutes behind the best
Kreuziger isn't improving, for the 3rd year in a row now
Typical Ruben-logic
Am i right that the only ones who are improving are Kruijswijk,Mollema and Gesink?
With that confirmation of last year result,do you consider that he lost that same amount in Tour2010 with two,three tough stages and in toughest GT of modern era Giro 2011?I think everyone who watched those two races saw an improvement this year,maybe not in time differencial to Contador,but defintely in his display (and if you dont,i am afraid you suffer from orange-blindness Ruben)
Go Roman!
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| SotD |
Posted on 01-06-2011 08:43
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I'm sorry to be a pain here, but imo the Giro route doesn't suit Kreuziger one bit. The Tour will be much better for him, and I think he (If riding) will be ending in aprox the same GC position as the Giro, only with greater competitors. He is slowly moving up the ranks, and getting a feel of the GT leaders role. He usually helped Basso/Nibali or what was supposed to be a shared leadership. I believe he will be one of the top GT riders in years to come. A rider much like Menchov, only a tad more consistent... So he should get plenty of GT top 5's in the future. Whether or not he is a winning type is the big question. I think not, but that doesn't mean he's not progressing...
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| BrunoSlb |
Posted on 01-06-2011 22:35
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For those who want are there every stages of the Giro 2011, with the winner's name:
Stage 1 to 7: https://hotfile.co...7.rar.html
Stage 8 to 14: https://hotfile.co...4.rar.html
Stage 15 to 21: https://hotfile.co...1.rar.html |
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| ruben |
Posted on 02-06-2011 19:39
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no hellboy, you suffer from czech blindness
I don't expect unnatural things from dutch riders. but you expect things from kreuziger he can never do. Plus it's obvious he is stuck at the same level for 3 years now. Even a blind man can see it |
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| hellboy |
Posted on 03-06-2011 06:32
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ruben wrote:
no hellboy, you suffer from czech blindness
I don't expect unnatural things from dutch riders. but you expect things from kreuziger he can never do. Plus it's obvious he is stuck at the same level for 3 years now. Even a blind man can see it
Yeah, why would someone with several junior WC titles in several cycling disciplines and guy with 3 GT top10s till the age of 25 make something in the future (including two top 10s at TdF in a team focused on italian riders and races)...you only insist on something that is based on your feelings and show it as the overwhelming truth, actually not based on facts.
And as far as i know finishing probably toughest GT of all time at 6th place behind some dopers and best climbers of the world is inhuman performance
Go Roman!
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 03-06-2011 09:01
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hellboy wrote:
ruben wrote:
no hellboy, you suffer from czech blindness
I don't expect unnatural things from dutch riders. but you expect things from kreuziger he can never do. Plus it's obvious he is stuck at the same level for 3 years now. Even a blind man can see it
Yeah, why would someone with several junior WC titles in several cycling disciplines and guy with 3 GT top10s till the age of 25 make something in the future (including two top 10s at TdF in a team focused on italian riders and races)...you only insist on something that is based on your feelings and show it as the overwhelming truth, actually not based on facts.
And as far as i know finishing probably toughest GT of all time at 6th place behind some dopers and best climbers of the world is inhuman performance
This discussion is starting to become interesting!!!
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 03-06-2011 12:36
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Under a month until Dekker can ride, what team is going to sign him? And is he a GT conteder for the Giro(?) in the future?
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| marble |
Posted on 03-06-2011 14:27
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ruben wrote:
no hellboy, you suffer from czech blindness
I don't expect unnatural things from dutch riders. but you expect things from kreuziger he can never do. Plus it's obvious he is stuck at the same level for 3 years now. Even a blind man can see it
The fact that an athlete has been stuck at the same level for quite a while, but then improves alot the next year has happened before. You don't have to progress a certain amount every year, but then again three years is a long time and the longer it takes the less the chance is for him to actually take the last step. I wouldn't say it could NEVER happen though. Three years ago he was 13th in the Tour almost 13 minutes behind Carlos Sastre, this year he was sixth in the Giro 11 and a half minutes behind Contador. I would say the 2011 version of Contador beats the 2008 version of Sastre and this Giro was also alot tougher than the 2008 TdF. There is some improvement, not a whole lot but it seems like he still slowly improves. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-06-2011 15:46
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Actually, there are two sides to it. Absolute power/level, and relative one. Coming 8th (this is an example) 20 minutes behind Contador might be better than coming 2nd 5 minutes after an average G.C. guy.
Yet this would be seen as a regression by some, though, for example, average power outputs would be better in the first case, it'd be seen as an improvement by others (I'm among those others).
Now, I don't know where Kreuziger stands, seen like that.  |
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| shraggi |
Posted on 03-06-2011 16:47
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Hi does anyone have a stream for the tour of luxembourg |
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| shraggi |
Posted on 03-06-2011 16:47
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Hi does anyone have a stream for the tour of luxembourg |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2011 16:51
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There is no live stream. Only short highlights after the stage. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 03-06-2011 19:40
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marble wrote:
ruben wrote:
no hellboy, you suffer from czech blindness
I don't expect unnatural things from dutch riders. but you expect things from kreuziger he can never do. Plus it's obvious he is stuck at the same level for 3 years now. Even a blind man can see it
The fact that an athlete has been stuck at the same level for quite a while, but then improves alot the next year has happened before. You don't have to progress a certain amount every year, but then again three years is a long time and the longer it takes the less the chance is for him to actually take the last step.
I agree, Ryder Hesjedal is probably a good example of this. He was riding as a domestique for the longest time, and then the last two seasons happened. Think about it, he's in his 30's now.
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