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Vuelta a España - Week 2
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:23
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Ian Butler wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Froome = Sky ?
Saxo "mechinically" peeled everyone off the back of the bunch today for Bertie anyway. Not that I like Sky in any case.
It's funny you should say that,
I was watching it with Belgian commentators, and they constantly said: The Froomes 
When Sky did something: Oh, the Froomes are closing the gap. 
Michel Wuyts & José De Cauwer!
They also said Gesink gets his results through hard work rather than being talented. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:42
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MartijnVDD wrote:
They also said Gesink gets his results through hard work rather than being talented.
*facepalm*
If he didn't do both he wouldn't get results.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 02-09-2012 02:54
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lokytrew wrote:
Do you guys think Contador can drop Rodriguez tomorrow?
Time will tell
One thing is sure, Contador cant stand to loose again tomorrow/sunday and not get the bonus seconds.
If Rodriguez wins again tomorrow/sunday, he will win the Vuelta, he will then be over 30seconds ahead of Contador and will have a insane confidence boost. And Monday wont be enough to get the jersey unless Rodriguez goes cold.
So Contador needs to attack attack attack attack attack and attack some more, and early on the moutain loose Rodriguez´s teammates so he is alone.
Then he and Valverde can team up and attack from a distance and share the lead so they can keep Froome and Rodriguez behind them. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-09-2012 06:47
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issoisso wrote:
Bookie wrote:
If people would've compared 25-year-old Purito with 25-year-old Gesink, many would also have concluded that "Gesink is 1000x better than Purito".
This. You can't compare because people peak at different times.
That's why it's silly to say OMG SAGAN IS SO YOUNG. So many guys have been amazing at Sagan's age and were DONE by age 25.
Are you suggesting here Sagan will be done by the age of 25? Of course he can, your point is valid in general, but i doubt it will be the case with Peter, he will have to forget how the ride the bike.
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| lokytrew |
Posted on 02-09-2012 08:38
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Jacdk wrote:
lokytrew wrote:
Do you guys think Contador can drop Rodriguez tomorrow?
Time will tell
One thing is sure, Contador cant stand to loose again tomorrow/sunday and not get the bonus seconds.
If Rodriguez wins again tomorrow/sunday, he will win the Vuelta, he will then be over 30seconds ahead of Contador and will have a insane confidence boost. And Monday wont be enough to get the jersey unless Rodriguez goes cold.
So Contador needs to attack attack attack attack attack and attack some more, and early on the moutain loose Rodriguez´s teammates so he is alone.
Then he and Valverde can team up and attack from a distance and share the lead so they can keep Froome and Rodriguez behind them.
Contador needs to gain atleast 15 seconds on a climb to stay in the lead. Purito his jump is insane. Working together with Valverde would be a great idea.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-09-2012 09:44
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issoisso wrote:
Fun fact: Mark Cavendish has won more stage races than Andy Schleck
depends on definition of won
Cavs - Ster Elektor (or however its spelt)
Andy - TDF
1 each
But yea and is fairly shit...
Spoiler 2007 - 2nd Giro, 4th Lombardia
2008 - 4thLBL, 5th Olympics,
2009 - 1st LBL, 2nd TDF, 2nd Fleche, 10th Amstel
2010 - 1st TDF, 6th LBL, 9th Fleche, 2xTDF Stages
2011 - 3rd LBL, 8th AToC, 2nd TDF, 1xTDF Stage
decent results to me
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 09:46
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Cavendish won his on the road though. Andy didn't.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 02-09-2012 09:50
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issoisso wrote:
MartijnVDD wrote:
They also said Gesink gets his results through hard work rather than being talented.
*facepalm*
If he didn't do both he wouldn't get results.
They're not my words, but they both agreed that Gesink isn't the biggest talent in the peloton. Just like VDB, he lives 300% for his sport. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-09-2012 09:59
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MartijnVDD wrote:
issoisso wrote:
MartijnVDD wrote:
They also said Gesink gets his results through hard work rather than being talented.
*facepalm*
If he didn't do both he wouldn't get results.
They're not my words, but they both agreed that Gesink isn't the biggest talent in the peloton. Just like VDB, he lives 300% for his sport.
That part is definitely true. Of course you have to be talented as well, but I think I know what they mean. They're the opposite of Andy Schleck: they have some talent (which is still a lot but not as much as some other riders) and a lot(!!) of training, Andy has a lot of talent but does shit. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 02-09-2012 10:16
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I will make one final attempt at getting some sweet PCM-moneyz! I still think Contador might take todays stage, but if Purito hangs on (or wins it) he will definately take the Vuelta. I was expecting him to be dropped on yesterdays climb, but it seems he has learned how to climb for more then 1km
By the way, since Norwegian TV2 and Eurosport doesn't their broadcast untill 16.00, do any of you know a good stream?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 10:21
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Going with a break today. Expected yesterday to be the break's big day in the mountains, but since it didn't end up being, I find it likely to happen today.
I doubt Saxo will take as much responsibility as yesterday, so I can't see any team chasing the escape group down.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-09-2012 11:31
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MartijnVDD wrote:
issoisso wrote:
MartijnVDD wrote:
They also said Gesink gets his results through hard work rather than being talented.
*facepalm*
If he didn't do both he wouldn't get results.
They're not my words, but they both agreed that Gesink isn't the biggest talent in the peloton. Just like VDB, he lives 300% for his sport.
Define talent. What is it and how do you measure it ? |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 02-09-2012 11:54
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I've been looking forward to todays stage for a long, long time!
Lagos da Covadongas; Lake of the Dongs!
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2012 11:59
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MartijnVDD wrote:
issoisso wrote:
MartijnVDD wrote:
They also said Gesink gets his results through hard work rather than being talented.
*facepalm*
If he didn't do both he wouldn't get results.
They're not my words, but they both agreed that Gesink isn't the biggest talent in the peloton. Just like VDB, he lives 300% for his sport.
That's not to say i didn't work hard. Every professional cyclist works hard. The ones who float to the top are the winners of the genetic lottery.
I'd love to say I was one of the greatest of all time because of how hard I worked but it would be bullshit. When I was 16 I already had the same physical capabilities as when I won the Tour. I just lacked the experience of timing my form. That's not hard work, that's dumb luck
Greg LeMond
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-09-2012 12:45
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I agree that talent = genetic lottery. And pro cyclists (or athletes in general) are already dumb lucky in that regard.
Still, question remains : how do you measure that when it comes to Gesink, VDB or De Gendt ? How do you scrap training from their level to measure their talent ? To me, only their coaches could have a clue about it. When journalists express their opinion on that, it's just that : opinions, totally subjective by essence. And everybody can have an opinion.
About LeMond's claim, I'm not sure it's totally accurate. Of course his genes were roughly the same at 16 that at 23, 30 or 40.
Still, what he refers to is probably his VO2 max, which doesn't vary that much through the years (juniors, espoirs, seniors have VO2 max in the same range). It's the ability to use it on a long period and to use it again and again that you develop through training (or through... something else, although that can also improve your VO2 dramatically). |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 12:55
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Wilier wrote:
I never expected Gesink to podium here. He broke his leg last year, meaning he hasn't been able to train in the winter. He never has been able to reach top form this season. Top 10 is fine.
Gesink is always a slow starter so a high pace at the start of the climb will get him into trouble.
Gesink didn't train in the Winter.. Fine. We are in Freaking SEPTEMBER. How can that be an excuse?! I can't understand that everyone can't simply admit that Gesink sometimes just sucks. Damn that pisses me off. I like the guy but once again yesterday he failed. It happens to everyone.... |
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| aymen |
Posted on 02-09-2012 13:00
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Aquarius wrote:
I agree that talent = genetic lottery. And pro cyclists (or athletes in general) are already dumb lucky in that regard.
Still, question remains : how do you measure that when it comes to Gesink, VDB or De Gendt ? How do you scrap training from their level to measure their talent ? To me, only their coaches could have a clue about it. When journalists express their opinion on that, it's just that : opinions, totally subjective by essence. And everybody can have an opinion.
True we can't know hat he do in training also, and for Andy Schleck maybe he train hard and he didn't make progress that's why his coach lie or someting else... |
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 02-09-2012 13:25
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Moreno and Cataldo have crashed. Don't know if they're hurt.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 14:25
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Apparently these are over 11 minutes ahead:
| Pablo Lastras Garcia | Movistar Team | | | Sergey Lagutin | Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team | | | Antonio Piedra Perez | Caja Rural | | | Simon Geschke | Argos-Shimano | | | Ruben Perez Moreno | Euskaltel-Euskadi | | | Lloyd Mondory | AG2R La Mondiale | | | Andrey Kashechkin | Pro Team Astana | | | Kevin Seeldrayers | Pro Team Astana | | | David De La Fuente Rasilla | Caja Rural | |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2012 14:32
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Bookie wrote:
If people would've compared 25-year-old Purito with 25-year-old Gesink, many would also have concluded that "Gesink is 1000x better than Purito".
This. You can't compare because people peak at different times.
That's why it's silly to say OMG SAGAN IS SO YOUNG. So many guys have been amazing at Sagan's age and were DONE by age 25.
Are you suggesting here Sagan will be done by the age of 25? Of course he can, your point is valid in general, but i doubt it will be the case with Peter, he will have to forget how the ride the bike.
I am printscreening this for future fun
So, you intentionally cut out the part of my post where Sagan is just an example? I seriously hope you're just joking 
TheManxMissile wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Fun fact: Mark Cavendish has won more stage races than Andy Schleck
depends on definition of won
Cavs - Ster Elektor (or however its spelt)
Andy - TDF
1 each
But yea and is fairly shit...
Spoiler 2007 - 2nd Giro, 4th Lombardia
2008 - 4thLBL, 5th Olympics,
2009 - 1st LBL, 2nd TDF, 2nd Fleche, 10th Amstel
2010 - 1st TDF, 6th LBL, 9th Fleche, 2xTDF Stages
2011 - 3rd LBL, 8th AToC, 2nd TDF, 1xTDF Stage
decent results to me
The fact that most of those results are classics when we're discussing stage racing ability shows how much you're grasping at straws
More importantly, nobody ever said Andy was shit like you claim. Andy's fans call him an elite stage racer. He's never won a stage race in his career in well over 50 attempts. That is a fact.
He is a one dimensional rider who can climb and nothing else.
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Apparently these are over 11 minutes ahead:
| Pablo Lastras Garcia | Movistar Team | | | Sergey Lagutin | Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team | | | Antonio Piedra Perez | Caja Rural | | | Simon Geschke | Argos-Shimano | | | Ruben Perez Moreno | Euskaltel-Euskadi | | | Lloyd Mondory | AG2R La Mondiale | | | Andrey Kashechkin | Pro Team Astana | | | Kevin Seeldrayers | Pro Team Astana | | | David De La Fuente Rasilla | Caja Rural | |
F***ING eurosport and their love for tennis.
(I apologize for the bad mood today. I got home at 5 am and got up 3 hours later)
Edited by issoisso on 02-09-2012 14:37
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