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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 04-10-2008 15:56
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Goldberger wrote:
Where has Vino said that he will make a comeback? I really doubt this....
If this is true, three things is certain
1) He will never ride for Astana as long as Bryneel is team manager.
2) The UCI will probably reopen his case, and give him the two year ban he should have had in the first place.
3) He will never ride the Tour de France again.
He says it himself in an interview with Belgian sports paper Sporza. He also says that he expects to return to Astana and mentions that after all, it was him who started the team. As mentioned by issoisso, he's aiming for the Giro.
Source (Google translated): https://translate....&tl=en
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| Xavier |
Posted on 04-10-2008 16:03
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Sporza isnt a newspaper and Vino didnt say he expected to return with Astana, he said he felt his natural place is at Astana, and that it would feel weird to race for another team, against Astana.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 04-10-2008 17:21
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Cycling Weekly are predicting Astana? Why? He's the biggest Kazach rider and well Brunyeel may not have the last say, it could be the sponsors decision.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| ember |
Posted on 04-10-2008 18:25
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It is surrealistic, now we are only missing Ullrich, Landis and Mayo |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2008 19:14
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Goldberger wrote:
Where has Vino said that he will make a comeback? I really doubt this....
L'Équipe
Goldberger wrote:
1) He will never ride for Astana as long as Bryneel is team manager.
Bruyneel has no say as long as the sponsors tell him to shut up. And given the oppressive dictatorship in kazakhstan, there is no chance they won't tell him to shut up and accept the national hero in the team.
Goldberger wrote:
2) The UCI will probably reopen his case, and give him the two year ban he should have had in the first place.
I think so too. And I dearly hope so.
Goldberger wrote:
3) He will never ride the Tour de France again.
I'm not sure. maybe, maybe not.
Deadpool wrote:
Here's my view on this situation. From the years 1998 to 2005, Cycling was one of the, if not the most doped up sport on the planet
I'd say from the start of cycling to 1998 it was one of the most doped up. Then in 1998 something started doing something about it. Now it's the or one of the least doped ones, because it's one of the very few where something is actually done about it instead of throwing everything under the rug and pretending like there are actually doping controls, like in most sports.
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, and now, finally all the riders, teams, and organizations are getting there heads together and are finally starting to move in a good direction.
What I see are some people doing that and most people continuing to dope.
I can't say I don't understand them, it's quite obvious to everyone in the peloton that at this moment you can't win the big races without drugs. Leave the drugs aside and you'll have Popovych and Cunego style performances. The riders know that, so they don't have much choice.
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Now however, we are seeing rider after rider who were from the 98-05 period come back, they are now even older, and plenty of them are coming back from bans. All these comebacks, Basso, Lance, possibly Vino, etc., etc., are going to be a horrible thing for cycling, as they are going to erase all the forward progress that has been made the last few years.
I wouldn't say they'll erase it, but they're definitely a small step back in terms of the mentality change. But compared to the enormous amounts of people still out there preaching to the riders that "dope is normal, you can't do well without it", it's a drop in the ocean.
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 04-10-2008 20:49
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You can't say typical Cunego peformances Issoisso, because he won the Amstel Gold Race and got 2nd in the worlds. So was he jus doped for those races? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2008 21:03
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Goldberger wrote:
You can't say typical Cunego peformances Issoisso, because he won the Amstel Gold Race and got 2nd in the worlds. So was he jus doped for those races?
Explain to me how you look at "Leave the drugs aside and you'll have Popovych and Cunego style performances." and read "Cunego was doped at the April Classics and the Worlds but not at the Tour" 
But since you mention it, here's something I thought was interesting:
At the Tour, the AFLD's president was being asked by journalists about the riders who were warned their blood values were very suspicious.
Apparently, a journalist asked if Cunego was one of them. He smiled and pretended to change the subject, but in fact (according to the journalists present), it was clear to all he was talking about Cunego. he said:
"Some riders were doing very well at the start [remember Cunego's stellar initial TT?] but as soon as they were warned of their blood values, the values started going back to normal....even if their performances did the opposite" |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 04-10-2008 21:38
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Cunego definatly has been on the drugs. His Giro performance a few years a go was pronominal he was even younger back then and he got worse and worse. It may have been down to injury. But any amazing Grand Tour rider doesn't just change like that! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2008 21:41
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I don't think his quality decreased at all. There are several reasons for his win of 2004. The biggest one being "where the f*** where the mountains in that Giro??" |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 04-10-2008 21:45
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Good, point. I wasn't really that knowledgeable around then so i should have checked. But come on his 3 Week performance has defiantly dipped. He is 70% Classics now, and its been Proven this year. He needs to wake up and smell the coffee. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2008 21:53
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I agree, he's a classics rider. Make a Giro that's all classics routes and he wins....then again, the other main reason he won in 2004 was that nobody knew him so they let him go on a stupid break and win minutes.
Take out the minutes he won on the break and he's third overall....on a Giro so hard (sarcasm) that Gonchar wins it....Cioni 4th, McGee 9th...etc.
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| ruben |
Posted on 04-10-2008 22:27
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Isso, you should use https://tashian.co...-babel.cgi this site to translate your own post, it has entertaining results
Syntonize, a traditional passenger of the Formi for the verifications
them shipment, that the ways are all the this and still then the
traditional victories..., to another relation of general
transformation, this gained age he 2004 that nobody knew that
therefore it went away minuteren Victory to go stupid he in which it
finished and Lasci minuteren, according to in the gained conclusion
and I am in the third place... in the total of an amount with
verifications therefore it sends forts to them (famous of
sarkastische) the victories of this Gonchar... Cioni 4, McGee 9....
etc......
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| p3druh |
Posted on 04-10-2008 22:30
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Ruben wrote:
Syntonize, a traditional passenger of the Formi for the verifications
them shipment, that the ways are all the this and still then the
traditional victories..., to another relation of general
transformation, this gained age he 2004 that nobody knew that
therefore it went away minuteren Victory to go stupid he in which it
finished and Lasci minuteren, according to in the gained conclusion and I am in the third place... in the total of an amount with
verifications therefore it sends forts to them (famous of
sarkastische) the victories of this Gonchar... Cioni 4, McGee 9....
etc......
Isso is now officially the best portuguese cyclist ever. Congrats 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2008 22:30
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You have weird hobbies Ruben. Kudos. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 05-10-2008 00:38
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So just to get this straight, you guys think that Cunego is still on drugs, or that he stopped after his phenomenal 2004 season?
Also do you think there is less doping amongst the top riders in the ardennes classics, than in the grand tours? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-10-2008 07:44
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Goldberger wrote:
So just to get this straight, you guys think that Cunego is still on drugs, or that he stopped after his phenomenal 2004 season?
Also do you think there is less doping amongst the top riders in the ardennes classics, than in the grand tours?
I didn't address any of that in my previous posts, so if you think I did, re-read because you didn't understand me
Anyway, answering you now.
Question 1. The first choice.
Question 2. Not really.
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| chuckie |
Posted on 05-10-2008 10:19
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CrueTrue wrote:
Nope, he got a 1 year suspension by the Kazakh federation, and UCI didn't appeal it, because he said that he would retire.
He had planned this all along
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-10-2008 11:05
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Pat McQuaid has now said that UCI will try to get Vinokourov suspended until 24th of July 2009.
I don't know if it's possible, though. I suppose there's a limited time where you can appeal a decision? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-10-2008 11:55
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Vino will ride in Astana if he comes back..or Bruyneel should say good bye..to heś hugh budjet |
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| shadow80 |
Posted on 06-10-2008 04:56
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Astana would be idiotic to let Vino back on the team and personally, I think Bruyneel should threaten to quit the team and take half of it with him if the sponsors force him to take Vino on.
Astana taking Vino on would mean the Tour would give them the no go signal. I can not fathom seeing the Tour let Astana in if it means giving Vino another shot in the Tour. Forget it. |
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