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PCM.daily DB Stats discussion
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| handsball |
Posted on 02-10-2013 11:56
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What do you guys think roelandts should get in cobbles? I think he deserves something in the 77-78 range, also some fighter because he was smart and attacked as only outsider. (Ronde Van Vlaanderen) Also if your thinking not do upgrade him because of his Paris-Roubaix, he had flat tire when cancellara attacked so.
I just want an opinion on what you guys think that Roelandts deserves 
(Roelandts fan right here lol xD)
Edited by handsball on 02-10-2013 11:57
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:04
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Sagan 78 for me. When he wins Liege next year, then he can get 80 okay Avin?
I dont want 80 for him, i personally rate him 78/79 now if 81/82 is for Purito. And not sure if he will ever ride Liege (he never did so far), so i doubt he will win it. 
It is not suited to his abilities and one must take into consideration that he is usually on top of his game since February, through Tirreno,MSR and northern classics, so he has too much in his legs at the end of April, while many opponents at Ardennes have lighter schedule.
As i said 78/79 in hills, 77 in cobbles seems fitting to me. And high stamina, third highest in the game probably.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 02-10-2013 12:05
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:20
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78hills is perfect for Sagan. When combined with his high SP stat he then dominates most sprints and medium hill stages, which is perfect. 77/78 cobbles allows him to compete in the classics provided you peak for them. It also leads to the AI handling him well, focusing on cobbles and sprints, which is what he does. You raise his HL and MO too much you get the Kwiatkowski problem.
Which is that the game thinks they are a climber/stage racer, and suddenly he gets a whole different schedule and behavior.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:48
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And that is what i was talking about. Riders like Sagan or Kwiatkowski are too good in too many areas to be realistically reproduced in the game. Game cant handle true all-arounders and get them proper realistic program.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:51
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And that is what i was talking about. Riders like Sagan or Kwiatkowski are too good in too many areas to be realistically reproduced in the game. Game cant handle true all-arounders and get them proper realistic program.
So you drop some of their stats, which for Sagan is a lowering of Hill and Cobble.
And Kwiatkowski needs a bit of a general lowering as well, to make up for this.
Both are young and improve in the game, so in 2 seasons both will be amazing anyway.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-10-2013 13:03
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And that is what i was talking about. Riders like Sagan or Kwiatkowski are too good in too many areas to be realistically reproduced in the game. Game cant handle true all-arounders and get them proper realistic program.
So you drop some of their stats, which for Sagan is a lowering of Hill and Cobble.
And Kwiatkowski needs a bit of a general lowering as well, to make up for this.
Both are young and improve in the game, so in 2 seasons both will be amazing anyway.
Yep, it seems like the good and only way, but it is shame that because of that, AI Sagan has little chance to actually won green in first two seasons (and i never played more than two), when he dominates this competition irl.
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 02-10-2013 13:04
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Interesting discussion.
To make a real allrounder you need to give him high stats in areas that are not terrain-specific: along with high endurance and recovery, you need to give them a big red and yellow bar, as then he becomes better on any terrain.
But of course, RES is broken and ACC no longer represents red bar, meaning every rider now has the same size of 'engine'.
Huzzah for Cyanide.
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| kubys |
Posted on 02-10-2013 13:10
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I haven't PCM13 neither the DB, but can someone tell me stats of Kwiatek?
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:16
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kubys wrote:
I haven't PCM13 neither the DB, but can someone tell me stats of Kwiatek?
flat 72 mo 75 hills 78 tt 71 dh 65 end 65 sp 66 acc 61 cobble 66 rec 69 res 67
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:20
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On the Sagan note: Give him 78 Hills with 77 Cobbles. Works perfectly in RVV in PCM. With the FCDB, Sagan, 2nd season, already up to 79 HIL and 78 COB. Was left behind by Cancellara on one of the last cobble stages. Recovered on flat. Then beated Cancellara on the sprint. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:22
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@Kiserlovski No, those are the official DB stats, which are crap.
He means the realname DB stats.
(77TT+PRL, 77HI, 75MO, 70SP, 73COB, 76STA, 73RES+REC.)
IMO, 76MO would be deserved, possibly also 78HI...
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:24
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Kiserlovski No, those are the official DB stats, which are crap.
He means the realname DB stats.
(77TT+PRL, 77HI, 75MO, 70SP, 73COB, 76STA, 73RES+REC.)
IMO, 76MO would be deserved, possibly also 78HI...
I'm sorry, I thought he meant the official ones |
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| kubys |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:29
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Kiserlovski No, those are the official DB stats, which are crap.
He means the realname DB stats.
(77TT+PRL, 77HI, 75MO, 70SP, 73COB, 76STA, 73RES+REC.)
IMO, 76MO would be deserved, possibly also 78HI...
Not sure about 76 MO, but 78 HI definitely. Now I finally get it why people were saying, that he's monster.
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:36
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kubys wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
@Kiserlovski No, those are the official DB stats, which are crap.
He means the realname DB stats.
(77TT+PRL, 77HI, 75MO, 70SP, 73COB, 76STA, 73RES+REC.)
IMO, 76MO would be deserved, possibly also 78HI...
Not sure about 76 MO, but 78 HI definitely. Now I finally get it why people were saying, that he's monster.
IMO, he deserves slightly higher sprint stats ( he came very close to Sagan in the second TDF stage. And what ACC stats has he? |
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 14:51
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74 i believe, 71-72SP could be good for him |
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 15:05
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nacho63 wrote:
74 i believe, 71-72SP could be good for him
yes, I agree with that |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-10-2013 16:25
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Well, Kwiatek's Tour de France deserves a 76MO to me, for sure...
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-10-2013 16:27
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Kwiatek's Tour de France deserves a 76MO to me, for sure...
It does indeed. So does 72 sprint. And probably even 78 in hills as well.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-10-2013 16:34
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Alakagom wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Kwiatek's Tour de France deserves a 76MO to me, for sure...
It does indeed. So does 72 sprint. And probably even 78 in hills as well.
And then he becomes more of a beast than Sagan, ruining gameplay in 2-3 seasons.
Speaking from experience Kwiat just becomes amazing in a few seasons, and wins 90% of GC's along with 20+ stages/single day races.
Whilst the stats might be realistic, it does not make for good gameplay. Keeping the SP low is a start (70), but if you raise MO then drop TT and HL to compensate. Also do not give him more than 73/74 REC.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-10-2013 16:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Kwiatek's Tour de France deserves a 76MO to me, for sure...
It does indeed. So does 72 sprint. And probably even 78 in hills as well.
And then he becomes more of a beast than Sagan, ruining gameplay in 2-3 seasons.
Speaking from experience Kwiat just becomes amazing in a few seasons, and wins 90% of GC's along with 20+ stages/single day races.
Whilst the stats might be realistic, it does not make for good gameplay. Keeping the SP low is a start (70), but if you raise MO then drop TT and HL to compensate. Also do not give him more than 73/74 REC.
It's compensated by lowering his potential to 4. Meaning he's unlikely to develop much in most games already from those stats.
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