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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-02-2012 22:09
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Nice to see Freire winning, hope to see him good in la Primavera.
7th place was for Poulhies, not Van Hummel, btw.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-02-2012 15:42
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Vuelta a Andalucia - Ruta del Sol, Stage 4
| 1 | | | | MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel | | KAT | | 3h14'54" | | 2 | | | | VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro | | MOV | | 02" | | 3 | | | | SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel | | EUS | | 02" | | 4 | | | | LAGUTIN Sergey | | VCD | | 02" | | 5 | | | | VANENDERT Jelle | | LTB | | 02" | | 6 | | | | GESINK Robert | | RAB | | 02" | | 7 | | | | MENCHOV Denis | | KAT | | 02" | | 8 | | | | MOLLEMA Bauke | | RAB | | 02" | | 9 | | | | ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor | | EUS | | 02" | | 10 | | | | TAARAMÄE Rein | | COF | | 02" |
Vuelta a Andalucia - Ruta del Sol, General classification
| 1 | | | | VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro | | MOV | | | | 2 | | | | TAARAMÄE Rein | | COF | | 03" | | 3 | | | | COPPEL Jérôme | | SAU | | 08" | | 4 | | | | MENCHOV Denis | | KAT | | 08" | | 5 | | | | LAGUTIN Sergey | | VCD | | 15" | | 6 | | | | DUMOULIN Tom | | PRO | | 18" | | 7 | | | | SCHLECK Fränk | | RNT | | 22" | | 8 | | | | ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar | | RNT | | 26" | | 9 | | | | MONFORT Maxime | | RNT | | 27" | | 10 | | | | KELDERMAN Wilco | | RAB | | 28" |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 23-02-2012 15:47
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@ Alakagom I was too slow 
Very nice to see two Dutch youngsters in the top 10.  |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-02-2012 15:51
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Indeed Wilier. Tom did a great ride, never expected that from him on the hilly stage, I knew he was decent on hills but to stay with the favourites was impressive. Kelderman is a less of a surprise seeing how hyped he is by the Dutchies on other forums
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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-02-2012 15:52
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Unsurprisingly, Valverde keeps winning.
Good to see Taaramäe and Coppel doing well. Oh, and also that there's one half of Frändy who still wants to race for more than 3 weeks per year.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 23-02-2012 21:22
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
No, his points doesn't count for the next two years.
It's a shame he's Movistar's leader then, they migh not use him in big races where he'd be effective or could win, and if they do it doesn't go towards anything.
Will this be the same as Contador?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 23-02-2012 21:24
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Contador is serving a ban, ergo it's the same rules for him. 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-02-2012 21:27
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Actually, it's not true.
Two problems:
1. WADA law states that you can't add additional punishment to an athlete (other than the one given). Removing a rider's points is an additional punishment.
2. When the offence was commited, the rules about the "non scoring" didn't exist. Therefore, they can't apply to cases like that.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 23-02-2012 21:55
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I am not sure about that.
The team gets the punishment and not the rider, therefore it could be legit.
At least for Valverde who signed the contract after this rule was implemented (as far as I know). |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-02-2012 22:02
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You may feel that it's the team who pays the penalty, but after all, you remove points from the rider who earns them, so it's a punishment on the rider.
And as I said, Valverde's doping offence dates back to when the non scoring rule wasn't even thought of. Therefore, the rule doesn't count for him.
It's not just a thought I have - it's based on what experts in sports law say.
This being one article: https://www.sporten.dk/cykling/regel-r...a-contador. Refers to WADA rule 25.2 |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 24-02-2012 06:37
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Ah yes, I forgot that!
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-02-2012 06:37
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CrueTrue wrote:
You may feel that it's the team who pays the penalty, but after all, you remove points from the rider who earns them, so it's a punishment on the rider.
And as I said, Valverde's doping offence dates back to when the non scoring rule wasn't even thought of. Therefore, the rule doesn't count for him.
It's not just a thought I have - it's based on what experts in sports law say.
This being one article: https://www.sporten.dk/cykling/regel-r...a-contador. Refers to WADA rule 25.2
Totally agree, this is a double punishment. With this, we will end with WT rankings winner whose points doesnt count maybe 
Because i think Valverde will keep on winning, another great race for him. Also young dutchies are great. Also Taaramae could have a real breakthrough season finally.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-02-2012 07:01
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Meanwhile, Dave Z smashed the opposition in Langkawi, good TT for Rujano also...And Vinokourov way back at 27.15.
| 1 | 17 | USA | Zabriskie,David | GRM | Garmin Barracuda | 24’34.18" | | | 2 | 114 | AUS | Phelan,Adam | DPC | Drapac Cycling | 25’34.48" | @01’00.30" | | 3 | 111 | AUS | Lapthorne,Darren | DPC | Drapac Cycling | 25’44.85" | @01’10.67" | | 4 | 11 | USA | Danielson,Thomas | GRM | Garmin Barracuda | 25’51.18" | @01’17.00" | | 5 | 21 | VEN | Rujano,Jose | AND | Androni Giocattoli | 26’00.87" | @01’26.69" | | 6 | 214 | NZL | Cooper,Joseph | NZL | New Zealand National Team | 26’05.65" | @01’31.47" | | 7 | 4 | KAZ | Gruzdev,Dmitriy | AST | Astana Pro Team | 26’07.73" | @01’33.55" | | 8 | 3 | KAZ | Dyachenko,Alexandr | AST | Astana Pro Team | 26’13.08" | @01’38.90" | | 9 | 12 | AUS | Haas,Nathan | GRM | Garmin Barracuda | 26’13.92" | @01’39.74" | | 10 | 175 | IRI | Khalili ,Behnam | TPT | Tabriz Petrochemical Team | 26’20.99" | @01’46.81" |
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| johannes-w |
Posted on 24-02-2012 07:05
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CrueTrue wrote:
You may feel that it's the team who pays the penalty, but after all, you remove points from the rider who earns them, so it's a punishment on the rider.
And as I said, Valverde's doping offence dates back to when the non scoring rule wasn't even thought of. Therefore, the rule doesn't count for him.
It's not just a thought I have - it's based on what experts in sports law say.
This being one article: https://www.sporten.dk/cykling/regel-r...a-contador. Refers to WADA rule 25.2
too bad i dont speak any danish but i would really like to know what the picture on the right frame is about!!! 
and on the topic: i dont see the problem with not counting the points for the team ranking because i always thought there were some additional ethical criterias for getting the worldtour team status as well - so they could reject a team with dopers just for that reason anyways, right?! |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 25-02-2012 10:06
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Tour de Langkawi, Stage 2: Putrajaya - Melaka (151 km)
| 1 | Andrea Guardini | ITA | Farnese Vini - Selle Italia | 3h35'19" | | 2 | Jake Keough | USA | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling | | | 3 | Cristian Delle Stelle | ITA | Colnago - CSF Inox | | | 4 | Anuar Manan | MAS | Champion System Pro Cycling Team | | | 5 | Raymond Kreder | NED | Team Garmin - Barracuda | | | 6 | Jani Tewelde Weldegaber | ERI | MTN - Qhubeka | | | 7 | Yohann Gène | FRA | Europcar | | | 8 | Marco Canola | ITA | Colnago - CSF Inox | | | 9 | Valentin Iglinskiy | KAZ | Astana | | | 10 | Zamri Salleh | MAS | Terengganu Cycling Team | |
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 25-02-2012 11:27
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johannes-w wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
You may feel that it's the team who pays the penalty, but after all, you remove points from the rider who earns them, so it's a punishment on the rider.
And as I said, Valverde's doping offence dates back to when the non scoring rule wasn't even thought of. Therefore, the rule doesn't count for him.
It's not just a thought I have - it's based on what experts in sports law say.
This being one article: https://www.sporten.dk/cykling/regel-r...a-contador. Refers to WADA rule 25.2
too bad i dont speak any danish but i would really like to know what the picture on the right frame is about!!!
and on the topic: i dont see the problem with not counting the points for the team ranking because i always thought there were some additional ethical criterias for getting the worldtour team status as well - so they could reject a team with dopers just for that reason anyways, right?!
Just use a translator?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up, and sorry for going off-topic
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 25-02-2012 13:48
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A lot of crashes in the Omloop, Labbe from Cofidis not looking very good after falling hard with Trussov from RusVelo, Leukemans just involved in a small pile up at the back of the peleton, he's looking a little worse for wear.
EDIT: 58Km to go: Lars Boom (Rab) was following the attack of a Boonen and they rubbed shoulders, causing him to fall.
...And a quickstep rider just (Ciolek) fell in the main group of riders.
Edited by Eden95 on 25-02-2012 14:08
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 25-02-2012 14:10
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Now Velits and Langeveld. Crazy race, but at least they don't wait for the final kilometers to attack.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 25-02-2012 14:12
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Looks like very important selection at Omloop happend already. Flecha, Hayman, Breschel, Hushovd, Vanmarcke +1 OPQS. The group has the chance to stay easily ahead for the rest of the race but they have to co-operate.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 25-02-2012 14:15
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..And Another pile-up, last year's winner Langveld got caught up in it. A Landbouewkrediet looked not so great, as does Peter Velits.
Westra leads with Vandousselaere being pursued by Boonen, Flecha, Hushovd, Breschel and others. Very eventful race.
..Gilbert with a mechanical. 51km to go.
I'll stop posting so much now
Edited by Eden95 on 25-02-2012 14:15
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