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| viking90 |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:16
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it feels like It just can´t be bad luck for him, feels like he must to something wrong when so many things happend to him 
Edited by viking90 on 11-05-2009 19:17
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:18
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viking90 wrote:
it feels like It just can´t be bad luck for him, feels like he must to something wrong when so many things happend to him
Is that your best argument?
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| viking90 |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:22
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Ildabaoth wrote:
viking90 wrote:
it feels like It just can´t be bad luck for him, feels like he must to something wrong when so many things happend to him
Is that your best argument?
argument ? I just think it´s strange that he has so much unluck all the time. but shore you are right it´s maybe just his bad luck. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:30
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Yesterday he wasn't well positioned and he lost time when the peloton splitted.
Thats not bad luck, thats bad riding 
Edited by SportingNonsense on 11-05-2009 19:30
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| Macquet |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:30
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Associated Press Report
American rider Christian Vande Velde withdrew from the race after breaking two ribs, and bruising and spraining his back in a fall at the 87th mile. Countryman and Garmin-Slipstream teammate David Zabriske also fell on the downhill run. Zabriskie got back on his bike and rejoined the pack, but Vande Velde stayed on the ground and was taken to a hospital.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:30
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It's very normal for Colombians to lose a lot of time in flat stages due to being horrible bike handlers.
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:30
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viking90 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
viking90 wrote:
it feels like It just can´t be bad luck for him, feels like he must to something wrong when so many things happend to him
Is that your best argument?
argument ? I just think it´s strange that he has so much unluck all the time. but shore you are right it´s maybe just his bad luck.
Well, I said he was unlucky by getting injured at last year's Giro, then I said he wasn't well positioned yesterday and then I said he was unlucky today by getting involved in a crash, despite he was in the front. So yes, I find him unlucky generally speaking. You didn't say it was strange, but you said he must have been doing something wrong. And I'm afraid I can't quite get it.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:37
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I did not say that he did something wrong just that it FEELS like he do something weong because he is involved in so many accident. but forgett what i write earlier my point is : I think it´s a little bit strange that he is in so many accident and loses time against the others. My feeling is that it´s something more than bad luck every time. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:48
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Ok, Viking, I get your point and sorry for misunderstanding your words. I do find it normal that Colombians lose time in flat races not just because of bike handling (today there were about 50 riders who arrived at the same time with Soler, and I find it hard to say that it was just because of their bike handling or something like that), but because of their lack of power due to their light weight, more fitted to mountains.
The thing I find sad is that today he wasn't bad positioned (I guess he learned the lesson from yesterday's stage) and even so he got involved in a crash (and, again, I won't blame that to his bike handling, because I have seen him crashing just 4 times in the last 2 years and 2 of them were because of his wrist injury).
Edited by Ildabaoth on 11-05-2009 19:49
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:50
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Ildabaoth wrote:
Ok, Viking, I get your point and sorry for misunderstanding your words. I do find it normal than Colombians lose time in flat races not just because of bike handling (today there were about 50 riders who arrived at the same time with Soler, and I find it hard to say that it was just because of their bike handling or something like that), but because of their lack of power due to their light weight, more fitted to mountains.
But the other riders don't have an entire team protecting them and bringing them to the front
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2 of them were because of his wrist injury).
Actually, 2 of them were the ones that CAUSED his wrist injuries (plural. he injured one wrist at the Giro and the other at the Tour) |
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| ruben |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:50
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The thing is, Colombians aren't bad at flat riding nor do they 'not have enough power'. That's something from the 70-ties, not modern times.
Most Colombian riders have ridden on the track as well. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:52
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Ruben wrote:
The thing is, Colombians aren't bad at flat riding
A lot of them are. The racing in south america is very individualistic with long solo breaks in the mountains. These riders aren't used to high-speed packs on the flat. Colombia is where this situation is more extreme.
It's not all Colombian riders. It's a decent percentage of them. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:55
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issoisso wrote:
Actually, 2 of them were the ones that CAUSED his wrist injuries (plural. he injured one wrist at the Giro and the other at the Tour)
Yes, but he was still injured from his Giro's crash and he just couldn't take a turn because he lacked of grip. So one crash because of one wrist injured and, the day later, if I'm not mistaken, the second one, with BOTH wrists injured (well, actually it wasn't quite a crash, but mostly a full stop before crashing, without falling, but anyways).
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2009 19:57
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Ildabaoth wrote:
So one crash because of one wrist injured and, the day later, if I'm not mistaken, the second one, with BOTH wrists injured (well, actually it wasn't quite a crash, but mostly a full stop before crashing, without falling, but anyways).
Nope, not a day later. He injured one wrist at the Giro and abandoned. Then recovered completely. Then he injured the other wrist at the Tour.
The "full stop" thing wasn't a crash. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 11-05-2009 20:01
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issoisso wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
So one crash because of one wrist injured and, the day later, if I'm not mistaken, the second one, with BOTH wrists injured (well, actually it wasn't quite a crash, but mostly a full stop before crashing, without falling, but anyways).
Nope, not a day later. He injured one wrist at the Giro and abandoned. Then recovered completely. Then he injured the other wrist at the Tour.
The "full stop" thing wasn't a crash.
He wasn't fully recovered. Barloword's DS expected him to recover during the first week and then do his job at the mountains. Actually, he was still using that stuff around his wrist (I don't know the name in english).
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2009 20:02
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Ildabaoth wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
So one crash because of one wrist injured and, the day later, if I'm not mistaken, the second one, with BOTH wrists injured (well, actually it wasn't quite a crash, but mostly a full stop before crashing, without falling, but anyways).
Nope, not a day later. He injured one wrist at the Giro and abandoned. Then recovered completely. Then he injured the other wrist at the Tour.
The "full stop" thing wasn't a crash.
He wasn't fully recovered. Barloword's DS expected him to recover during the first week and then do his job at the mountains. Actually, he was still using that stuff around his wrist (I don't know the name in english).
Can you get me a link for that? thanks.
About Vande Velde:
His injuries, though bad, don't seem to be horrible. Seems like he should be in form for the Tour  |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 11-05-2009 20:15
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issoisso wrote:
Can you get me a link for that? thanks.
I couldn't get a link for his injury status at the beginning of the Tour, but one about him still being injured 1 week before it.
https://uk.eurospo...soler.html
He retired from the Giro in may 21th, so it was quite probable he wasn't ok by the beginning of the Tour. And I can quite remember him riding with this wrist thing, so I guess he wasn't still fully recovered.
Edited by Ildabaoth on 11-05-2009 20:16
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2009 20:27
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 11-05-2009 20:29
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I call rubbish:
Alessandro Petacchi claimed he did not know Mark Cavendish had crashed and insisted it was right that the lead group did not wait for the pink jersey in today's third stage of the 2009 Giro d'Italia.
“I've just found out now that he crashed. I knew there was a crash and but didn't know who was in it,” Petacchi said.
“With 10km to go and finish like that, when the race is on and on a circuit, it's different to when five or six riders are away together, like the day Armstrong crashed in the Tour and Ullrich waited for him.”
“I'm sorry if something happened but I didn't see Mark on the last lap and thought he was struggling. I didn't see his team mates and thought they were helping him.”
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 11-05-2009 21:34
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You have to be Italian to accept it. |
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