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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:12
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
I seriously hope that Wiggo doesn't take his Sky-train with him when he rides the Giro.
Henao is going. Cataldo too.
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:13
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Fun fact:
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| Smowz |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:14
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issoisso wrote:
Here's a fun exercise: In the entire history of the sport, name a team dominating anywhere near this much that didn't turn out to just have a doping advantage
One example. Entire history of the sport to choose from. Go.
I can't do this one sir! Really I cannot  .
I think Sky have assembled a pretty strong stage racing outfit here. No doubts comparable if not even better than some of the past super teams such as T-Mobile, US Postal, Leopard Trek (we all know they could have been so much more), La Vie Claire. All obviously with doping records.
I cannot sit here and vouch for their doping, I cannot do that for any cyclist - nor do I try. I just simply refuse to sit here and try and work out which riders dope and which riders do - I really have no idea. (yeah you can quote those last five words)
All I am saying and it will no doubt fall on deaf ears is that for the past year all I've seen is this repeated over and again almost every time a sky rider wins the first four pages are filled with Sky dope.. Sky dope...this is boring this is boring. Instead of things like great ride from Porte today. Sky got that one spot on.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:14
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gotlandrules wrote:
Jamaican sprinters where one just got a 2 year ban for dope? =)
You mean Steve Mullings?
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:18
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Apart from this Sky doping issue, let me say that Cattaneo rode pretty well today, 21st place. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:18
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fcancellara wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
Jamaican sprinters where one just got a 2 year ban for dope? =)
You mean Steve Mullings?
Yeah think thats him, don't really remember the name. Just that some guy that trained with Bolt and Blake got caught. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:19
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Apart from this Sky doping issue, let me say that Cattaneo rode pretty well today, 21st place.
That's very nice!
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| fickman |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:20
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Podium Giro 2013
1. Wiggins
2. Uran
3. Henao
Podium Tour 2013
1. Wiggins
2. Froome
3. Porte
Podium Vuelta 2013
1. Froome
2. Uran
3. Henao
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:43
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Smowz wrote:
Instead of things like great ride from Porte today. Sky got that one spot on.
But cycling, and especially a time trial is nothing romantic, funny or anything. It's about producing the most constant and elevated power for a given length.
And there Porte has been so much more powerful than anyone else in the race.
And, even though you could argue big names like both his British leaders, the Spanish guys and Nibali weren't here, his opponents are still talented professionals. Such a gap looks... supernatural. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:48
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fickman wrote:
Podium Giro 2013
1. Wiggins
2. Uran
3. Henao
Podium Tour 2013
1. Wiggins
2. Froome
3. Porte
Podium Vuelta 2013
1. Froome
2. Uran
3. Henao
And in 2023:
Podium Giro 2013:
1. Nibali
2. Gesink
3. Scarponi
How far are you gone?
Podium Tour 2013:
1. Rodriguez
2. Schleck
3. Voeckler
Really far
And last the vuelta:
1. S. Sanchez
2. D. Moreno
3. Valverde
Many Spanish not punished for dope
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-03-2013 16:52
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Iguwell wrote:
Fun fact:
Joining SKY has the opposite effect of joining Radioshack.
Wait till you see Devolder this year! |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-03-2013 17:00
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issoisso wrote:
Surprisingly good climb from Chavanel
Either he's peaking too early for the Flemish races, either he's reached a new level.
Any idea if he's still powered by Ibarguren ? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-03-2013 17:09
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issoisso wrote:
Smowz wrote:
Comparisons with last years time is silly, he obviously didn't go for it last year when you look at his other ITT times. Other than that continue the comedy.
Here's a fun exercise: In the entire history of the sport, name a team dominating anywhere near this much that didn't turn out to just have a doping advantage
One example. Entire history of the sport to choose from. Go.
Chicago Bulls? But dont know about that doping part.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-03-2013 17:23
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New Worldtour standings: https://en.wikiped...Individual |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-03-2013 17:46
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Smowz wrote:
Comparisons with last years time is silly, he obviously didn't go for it last year when you look at his other ITT times. Other than that continue the comedy.
Here's a fun exercise: In the entire history of the sport, name a team dominating anywhere near this much that didn't turn out to just have a doping advantage
One example. Entire history of the sport to choose from. Go.
Chicago Bulls? But dont know about that doping part.
You wouldn't want to know about NBA and doping, but NBA's board stance on the matter is about as bad as FIFA's, to give you an idea. |
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| stenic |
Posted on 10-03-2013 17:54
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issoisso wrote:
Smowz wrote:
Comparisons with last years time is silly, he obviously didn't go for it last year when you look at his other ITT times. Other than that continue the comedy.
Here's a fun exercise: In the entire history of the sport, name a team dominating anywhere near this much that didn't turn out to just have a doping advantage
One example. Entire history of the sport to choose from. Go.
New York Yankees 1920's - 50's?
Manchester Utd for the past 20 years
Liverpool in the 70's and 80's
Real Madrid 1950's
Wigan rugby league 80's and 90's
Brazil football team 1958-70
GB track cycling 2000's (oops i forgot that according some on this forum Wiggins is guilty so forget them)
New Zealand rugby union team for about the past 100 years
Montreal Canadiens 50's and 60's
West Germany football team 1972-80
France football team 1998-2000 (although i hope i'm wrong with that)
the USA Olympic basketball team that went undefeated from about 1936 to 1972
i'm tempted to list Italian football clubs in European competitions during the 90's but i have my own suspicions |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-03-2013 17:57
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Ok, try name CYCLING teams
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-03-2013 18:03
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Not to mention that football teams are far from clean.
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| Flair |
Posted on 10-03-2013 18:04
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ok, try name CYCLING teams
Not gonna be possible due to the prevalance of heavy drug taking teams throughout its entire history.
For me, the whole Sky thing comes down to one issue.
If you believe the peleton in as a whole far cleaner then in the past, Sky could well be clean.
If you think Cycling is as dirty as is always has been, then Sky are for sure doping.
Porte's win belongs to Lopez though. That guy was immense all week. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-03-2013 18:06
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stenic wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Smowz wrote:
Comparisons with last years time is silly, he obviously didn't go for it last year when you look at his other ITT times. Other than that continue the comedy.
Here's a fun exercise: In the entire history of the sport, name a team dominating anywhere near this much that didn't turn out to just have a doping advantage
One example. Entire history of the sport to choose from. Go.
New York Yankees 1920's - 50's?
Manchester Utd for the past 20 years not nearly as dominant as Sky these last two and a half years.
Liverpool in the 70's and 80's same as above
Real Madrid 1950's
Wigan rugby league 80's and 90's
Brazil football team 1958-70
GB track cycling 2000's (oops i forgot that according some on this forum Wiggins is guilty so forget them) lol ?
New Zealand rugby union team for about the past 100 years same as M.U. and Liverpool's comments
Montreal Canadiens 50's and 60's
West Germany football team 1972-80
France football team 1998-2000 (although i hope i'm wrong with that) no idea if they had a doping advantage, at least compared to their best opponents at that time, but...
the USA Olympic basketball team that went undefeated from about 1936 to 1972
i'm tempted to list Italian football clubs in European competitions during the 90's but i have my own suspicions ever heard about Parma, or Juve's drug shop that was of the size of a medium city's clinic ? |
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