Poembakat07 wrote:
Great day for the Dutch, yeah!
BTW, please, upgrade the stats for Ten Dam and Mollema in a future db please lol.
If I suggest that, everyone shouts at me for being biased
This is not directed at you as I like Dutch riders, Gesink especially. But we cant say about Sky and give Ten Dam and Mollema a free pass. And Ruben Mollema may have had top 5's but look at the competition, Rui Costa and TJVG who have done nothing.
9-Ball wrote:
For the people who question what damage doping really did/does to the sport of cycling, this thread is a fine summary read.
We'll go a long time into clean riders (if we ever have them and can measure it) before we really do lose this horrible cynicism and doubt about any strong/impressive performance. Above all; beyond the damage to younger riders, the health impact, the simply 'wrongness' of cheating that we've all experienced since childhood in any field, above all the great loss here is that there can never be greatness in cycling again, till this is undone. Everything is tainted, even where it may not be.
More and more I grow convinced this will never, ever be undone. I turned the TV off today, after watching 25 Tours on TV and attending three in person, 10 minutes before the stage was won.
I see Sky fans are slowly crawling from under their rocks, to justify the inhuman performance of Froome by nonsense theories.
Froome destroyed everyone bar his hardworking domestique by minute and a half and rode faster than biggest doper in history of cycling, there is no room for IF now, what is dicsussed here for years is now pretty clear to the whole world. Well, to those who are not blind.
atlanta wrote:
Its only hard to watch as its Sky winnig again guarantee Contador done it today all the forums would have loved it. How can anyone deny that Froome as been the strongest for 2 plus yrs now, something would have happened by now, and Mick Rogers even said Saxo need to sort out their training and im sure he did not mean Clinic stuff.
He is the strongest because he is doping, had Contador and co. done what Sky did today people on here would have been saying the same thing as what is being said of sky. You simply can't defend Froome and sky, we have seen this before and it when it comes out that Sky have been doping don't be surprised
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Also am i biased again, or Kreuziger really looked like he could finish with Valverde at least, if he was not dragging Bertie there?
I wonder how Conta will do today and if not good, we will see Roman going for himself. And i know Kreuziger has a bad day every GT, but top5-7 could be a goal.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 07-07-2013 06:35
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Also am i biased again, or Kreuziger really looked like he could finish with Valverde at least, if he was not dragging Bertie there?
I wonder how Conta will do today and if not good, we will see Roman going for himself. And i know Kreuziger has a bad day every GT, but top5-7 could be a goal.
Being unbiased I would say that top5 is very realistic indeed. I dont see anyone stopping him for that
Poembakat07 wrote:
Great day for the Dutch, yeah!
BTW, please, upgrade the stats for Ten Dam and Mollema in a future db please lol.
If I suggest that, everyone shouts at me for being biased
This is not directed at you as I like Dutch riders, Gesink especially. But we cant say about Sky and give Ten Dam and Mollema a free pass. And Ruben Mollema may have had top 5's but look at the competition, Rui Costa and TJVG who have done nothing.
Poembakat07 wrote:
Great day for the Dutch, yeah!
BTW, please, upgrade the stats for Ten Dam and Mollema in a future db please lol.
If I suggest that, everyone shouts at me for being biased
This is not directed at you as I like Dutch riders, Gesink especially. But we cant say about Sky and give Ten Dam and Mollema a free pass. And Ruben Mollema may have had top 5's but look at the competition, Rui Costa and TJVG who have done nothing.
Well, to me, Mollema was along with Costa the best climber at Suisse.
Mollema can lead the team, while Costa has to work, and TvG doesn't lead either, plus, I never saw TvG as a really good climber.
Also, a result can't be suspicious just because two other guys normally around similar level just failed yesterday(even though they didn't lead), that iust doesn't make sense.
I agree with Ruben as well. Mollema just has a solid season, and it's not like he came out of nothing at all!
I more or less understand that there are a few question marks around Ten Dam, but lets not forget that he rode a 7th Vuelta spot as a helper, and just has a few days in year that he's really good.
Both had results a bit above their level, but not enormously, and a resulta bit above their level is just something that can happen (Clean) in Cycling.
I mean, did Bardet, Serpa and Nieve dope as well yesterday then?
