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Critérium du Dauphiné
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:05
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Tomorrow will be even harder for Froome..then road rush really takes effect.
How now Contador can beat Froome at tour when he is that fast already?
Who said this is Contador's peak? Maybe he will reach 2007-09 level for tour. 
Edited by Nin1388 on 14-06-2014 21:09
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:06
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Tomorrow will be a insane day for Saxo Bank-T, A Contador alone with no team mates will destroy him and allow Froome to take the win. Sky has one of the strongest teams in the race and when they don't have to spend their strength on controlling the race but instead can focus on attack, they are not a fun force to deal with.
And as someone else said its clear from the Roster that Riis and Saxobank saw this as a training race for Contador, otherwise you can be 100% sure their roster wouldn't have been so weak. There is almost no strong mountain people in it and despite Nicki and Paulinho and sometimes Hernandez, they are in for a insane day.
Its going to be very exciting tomorrow and if it goes like i think Froome and Porte and sky will make it a living hell for Contador and Tinkov and before the last 8km with a 6-8% climb i think we will see a isolated Contador with a sky train giving it 200%
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:13
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Nin1388 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Tomorrow will be even harder for Froome..then road rush really takes effect.
How now Contador can beat Froome at tour when he is that fast already?
Who said this is Contador's pick? Maybe he will reach 2007-09 level for tour.
Oh, thats what he meant to say.
you can be sure that Contador isn't giving it all and he has yet to be tested fully by Froome, the same cant be said for Froome, last time he did a rescue with his "spray" this time im not sure what happened but it looked like Froome simply didn´t see it coming from Contador because i don't think Froome arrogance would have willingly held back. |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:16
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Well Riis said that Contador is stronger now than ever...
https://feltet.dk/nyheder/riis_contado...ret_bedre/
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:20
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Jacdk wrote:
Tomorrow will be a insane day for Saxo Bank-T, A Contador alone with no team mates will destroy him and allow Froome to take the win. Sky has one of the strongest teams in the race and when they don't have to spend their strength on controlling the race but instead can focus on attack, they are not a fun force to deal with.
And as someone else said its clear from the Roster that Riis and Saxobank saw this as a training race for Contador, otherwise you can be 100% sure their roster wouldn't have been so weak. There is almost no strong mountain people in it and despite Nicki and Paulinho and sometimes Hernandez, they are in for a insane day.
Its going to be very exciting tomorrow and if it goes like i think Froome and Porte and sky will make it a living hell for Contador and Tinkov and before the last 8km with a 6-8% climb i think we will see a isolated Contador with a sky train giving it 200%
Contador is smarter than that. His only goal for Critérium du Dauphiné has been to beat Froome. Now that Froome is in number 1 place that means he had to take the lead.
Tomorrow he will just follow Froome, even if he is left alone. No matter what happens. Even if Talansky or Nibali or whoever goes away 10 min he will not chase but sit behind Froome. I think in frustration Sky will chase because Sky and Froome have big ego problem, they will try to get everything back together.
He is playing mental game, that he managed to beat Froome before TdF in straight fight.
Anyway stage is not long and Tinkoff should manage. And summit finish is not too demanding.
Also if you did not see today Contador waited till Porte came to do his turn, to attack because he knows Porte is in poor form and him doing turn at front will not help Froome at all.
And I don't understand about "sky train giving it 200%". I mean suffering will be 200% for Froome too. Its not like he will go up in a motorbike. Anyway looks like Froome and Contador are at same level in mountains and Froome is ahead only in TT.
Edited by Nin1388 on 14-06-2014 21:33
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:50
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Nin1388 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Tomorrow will be a insane day for Saxo Bank-T, A Contador alone with no team mates will destroy him and allow Froome to take the win. Sky has one of the strongest teams in the race and when they don't have to spend their strength on controlling the race but instead can focus on attack, they are not a fun force to deal with.
And as someone else said its clear from the Roster that Riis and Saxobank saw this as a training race for Contador, otherwise you can be 100% sure their roster wouldn't have been so weak. There is almost no strong mountain people in it and despite Nicki and Paulinho and sometimes Hernandez, they are in for a insane day.
Its going to be very exciting tomorrow and if it goes like i think Froome and Porte and sky will make it a living hell for Contador and Tinkov and before the last 8km with a 6-8% climb i think we will see a isolated Contador with a sky train giving it 200%
Contador is smarter than that. His only goal for Critérium du Dauphiné has been to beat Froome. Now that Froome is in number 1 place that means he had to take the lead.
Tomorrow he will just follow Froome, even if he is left alone. No matter what happens. Even if Talansky or Nibali or whoever goes away 10 min he will not chase but sit behind Froome. I think in frustration Sky will chase because Sky and Froome have big ego problem, they will try to get everything back together.
He is playing mental game, that he managed to beat Froome before TdF in straight fight.
Anyway stage is not long and Tinkoff should manage. And summit finish is not too demanding.
Also if you did not see today Contador waited till Porte came to do his turn, to attack because he knows Porte is in poor form and him doing turn at front will not help Froome at all.
And I don't understand about "sky train giving it 200%". I mean suffering will be 200% for Froome too. Its not like he will go up in a motorbike. Anyway looks like Froome and Contador are at same level in mountains and Froome is ahead only in TT.
I dont agree with some of the things you just said.
First of all, now Contador is in this position, of course they wanna win. No reason to throw the lead away, allthough I agree the most important thing was to beat/stay with Froome. Tomorrows stage is not that hard and they SHOULD be able to control things down to the last 2 climbs, even though they have sent a very weak team. Contador will off course stay with Froome, but he also wants to win this race and more importantly, Oleg wants to win this race.
Secondly, Contador attacking when Porte was leading isnt a sign of Porte being weak at all - myabe not as strong as last year, but still the second best climber on Sky. There isnt much point in attacking with 5 km left when Nieve and Porte is relatively fresh and afterall, Porte was leading with a very slimmed down favourite group (I think down to 5 men). You simply do not do that Porte did today when you are not in shape. I think Porte is where you could expect him to be after a horrific season. Im not some kind of a fanoby trying to defend Porte and Sky, but what you wrote was just plain wrong. It was the perfect time to attack with Porte and Froome on their limits with 2 kms left. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 14-06-2014 22:24
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Riis123 wrote:
Spoiler Nin1388 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Tomorrow will be a insane day for Saxo Bank-T, A Contador alone with no team mates will destroy him and allow Froome to take the win. Sky has one of the strongest teams in the race and when they don't have to spend their strength on controlling the race but instead can focus on attack, they are not a fun force to deal with.
And as someone else said its clear from the Roster that Riis and Saxobank saw this as a training race for Contador, otherwise you can be 100% sure their roster wouldn't have been so weak. There is almost no strong mountain people in it and despite Nicki and Paulinho and sometimes Hernandez, they are in for a insane day.
Its going to be very exciting tomorrow and if it goes like i think Froome and Porte and sky will make it a living hell for Contador and Tinkov and before the last 8km with a 6-8% climb i think we will see a isolated Contador with a sky train giving it 200%
Contador is smarter than that. His only goal for Critérium du Dauphiné has been to beat Froome. Now that Froome is in number 1 place that means he had to take the lead.
Tomorrow he will just follow Froome, even if he is left alone. No matter what happens. Even if Talansky or Nibali or whoever goes away 10 min he will not chase but sit behind Froome. I think in frustration Sky will chase because Sky and Froome have big ego problem, they will try to get everything back together.
He is playing mental game, that he managed to beat Froome before TdF in straight fight.
Anyway stage is not long and Tinkoff should manage. And summit finish is not too demanding.
Also if you did not see today Contador waited till Porte came to do his turn, to attack because he knows Porte is in poor form and him doing turn at front will not help Froome at all.
And I don't understand about "sky train giving it 200%". I mean suffering will be 200% for Froome too. Its not like he will go up in a motorbike. Anyway looks like Froome and Contador are at same level in mountains and Froome is ahead only in TT.
I dont agree with some of the things you just said.
First of all, now Contador is in this position, of course they wanna win. No reason to throw the lead away, allthough I agree the most important thing was to beat/stay with Froome. Tomorrows stage is not that hard and they SHOULD be able to control things down to the last 2 climbs, even though they have sent a very weak team. Contador will off course stay with Froome, but he also wants to win this race and more importantly, Oleg wants to win this race.
Secondly, Contador attacking when Porte was leading isnt a sign of Porte being weak at all - myabe not as strong as last year, but still the second best climber on Sky. There isnt much point in attacking with 5 km left when Nieve and Porte is relatively fresh and afterall, Porte was leading with a very slimmed down favourite group (I think down to 5 men). You simply do not do that Porte did today when you are not in shape. I think Porte is where you could expect him to be after a horrific season. Im not some kind of a fanoby trying to defend Porte and Sky, but what you wrote was just plain wrong. It was the perfect time to attack with Porte and Froome on their limits with 2 kms left.
I did not say weak, I said not in form.
Anyway, sometimes I don't get Sky strategy. If Contador had attacked like 10-15kms out then there was point Froome sitting behind Porte.
I don't know what Froome wanted from Porte in last 2 kms. When possibly one of the best climbers in the world attacks in last 2 kms, you cant rely on 2nd rate climber like Porte to close down, you have to do it yourself, unless of course if you are suffering.
Last year Porte might have closed down. This year Froome and Contador are a level above everyone.
Sky will have to be careful in TdF. They always go by the book and numbers and how much output riders can produce. But Contador can change all that if he goes on long attack. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-06-2014 22:33
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Nin1388 wrote:
Contador is smarter than that. His only goal for Critérium du Dauphiné has been to beat Froome. Now that Froome is in number 1 place that means he had to take the lead.
Tomorrow he will just follow Froome, even if he is left alone. No matter what happens. Even if Talansky or Nibali or whoever goes away 10 min he will not chase but sit behind Froome. I think in frustration Sky will chase because Sky and Froome have big ego problem, they will try to get everything back together.
He is playing mental game, that he managed to beat Froome before TdF in straight fight.
Anyway stage is not long and Tinkoff should manage. And summit finish is not too demanding.
Also if you did not see today Contador waited till Porte came to do his turn, to attack because he knows Porte is in poor form and him doing turn at front will not help Froome at all.
And I don't understand about "sky train giving it 200%". I mean suffering will be 200% for Froome too. Its not like he will go up in a motorbike. Anyway looks like Froome and Contador are at same level in mountains and Froome is ahead only in TT.
Of course his goal for Dauphine has been to beat Froome, but don't mistake that for not also wanting to win the race, after all a win here and 2nd in TdF is better than no wins at all if it goes wrong in TdF which is a entirely different race.
So if Nibali or anyone else who can threaten the overall win goes on the attack, Saxobank will answer , they have to answer and cant just wait for sky to do something. But Sky would also have to answer after all they also threaten Froome. So no Contador wont let anyone go and of course neither will Froome.
Also of course Contador waited until Froome was almost isolated, attacking froome with his team would be insane as you last stage he did it where even with a minute the sky train quickly wheeled Contador in.
And if you follow cycling you know what i mean by 200% and Sky of course wont hurt their own captain. |
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 14-06-2014 22:56
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I don't get why would he need a team as strong as sky for tomorrow. His teammates will leave the breakaway take the win and won't push themselves hard so they'll probably deliver Contador safe to the last climb. And ther:
1. The tempo drops so much and everyone starts looking around and Sky counters every attack=Bertie follows and wins Dauphine.
2. Froome attacks and Contador goes with him to secure his overall win. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-06-2014 08:19
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I'm probably not too reassured by what this is supposed to prove, unless it's (and it is, unless "ever" only counts post-suspension) just PR bull crap, but I've seen it coming for months yes.
I regrettably believe that power numbers will go ballistic at TDF and that supposedly clean riders will stand no chance whatsoever.
Yesterday's stage was a tough one, and though measurements on the last climb were only partial, the figures were still quite impressive to put it politely (i.e. too high to be clean given the conditions). |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-06-2014 09:25
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I'm wondering too if SKY uses the same "tactics" as they always do. There's not much tactics involved when you have the strongest guys and they are riding everyone off. Froome attacking from the front with no real thought, just speeding up the climb, might not be enough anymore to shake an on-form Contador of his wheel. Froome really rides like without own thought but with a 6 W/kg motor under his saddle.
So, should they try the unpredictable thing? Are they capable of that? Is the unpredictable thing in their book to pace the whole peloton regardless of having the leader's jersey?
I'd actually imagine SKY so; that they to do the same thing they always do: Take over the pace making. All Contador has to the in the last climb is stick to Froome. Easier said than done.
As said, the race has been rather great for the weak B-squad of Tinkoff-Saxo.
Contador rode most of the finales on his own and there's has been very little help invested. Harldy any breakaway action from Tinkoff riders either. They'll be fit and the freshest in the bunch for today's 130 kilometers, whereas SKY had to chase Contador and other riders all throughout the week. From a point of winning, this race has been actually going perfect for Contador & Tinkoff so far. Now it's time to seal the deal.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:13
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Absolutely mental breakaway today:
The 23 breakaway riders are: David Lopez, Mikel Nieve, Richie Porte (Sky), Tanel Kangert, Lieuwe Westra (Astana), Dani Navarro, Yoann Bagot (Cofidis), Adam Yates (Orica), Igor Anton, John Gadret (Movistar), Romain Bardet, Alexis Gougeard, Jean-Christoph Péraud (AG2R), Thomas Voeckler (Europcar), Jurgen Van den Broeck, Tony Gallopin, Pim Ligthart (Lotto), Kristjan Koren (Cannondale), Tejay van Garderen (BMC), Yuriy Trofimov (Katusha), Ryder Hesjedal, Andrew Talansky (Garmin), Bartosz Huzarski (NetApp).
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:14
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What the hell?!?!
EDIT I want live pictures!!! 
Edited by Shonak on 15-06-2014 13:15
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:15
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GET. THAT. TV. SIGNAL. NOW. France Television |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:16
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Why are tv companies so god awful unflexible? 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:17
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But who is doing the work in break, cause Sky has no reason to bring Talansky yellow and I'm afraid it won't be enough with Ryder for Garmin? |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:18
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I_Mayo wrote:
But who is doing the work in break, cause Sky has no reason to bring Talansky yellow and I'm afraid it won't be enough with Ryder for Garmin?
No idea but its still rising 2'50'' atm |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-06-2014 13:19
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Van den Broeck in a breakaway, is it opposite day?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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Posted on 15-06-2014 13:20
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3'20'' now have Saxo given up? They should keep this break at the leash |
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Posted on 15-06-2014 13:21
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Wtf, that break 
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