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2013 Vuelta a Espana - Week 2 (31st August - 7th September)
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| skofan |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:20
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i guess i could probably find a better place to make my first (at least i think it is) post, but reading a thread about the vuelta being reduced to a discussion about one man being doped or not hurts me.
of course he's doped, just like the rest of the guys in the top 25, the breakaway, the heaviest guys trying to make it within the time limit, and bloody everyone else with anything to ride for
That being said, if Horner is clean I might as well be the Queen of England.
if anyone in the top 10 is clean, ill marry you, and we can ride into the sunset together to rule the magical kingdom of tomorrowland together.
... but really, we know they're doped, most wish they werent, rest doesnt care, everyone's tired of hearing about doping, and the only way to solve the problem is to fix the root of the problem.
guess what im trying to say is, can we please talk about the race instead? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:24
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skofan wrote:
guess what im trying to say is, can we please talk about the race instead?
You're trying to say we shouldn't talk about doping, bacause by talking we won't change anything. Therefore, by that logic, we shouldn't talk about anything. You just killed internet forums! 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:25
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I'm afraid we'll have to marry, but I really don't want to (who knows, maybe you're a nice chick full or qualities and I should reconsider my statement, but somehow I doubt that).
How can you be certain all the peloton is doped ? That's an abusive generalization. Most enlightened observers seem to agree on a proportion of 50 to 70 % of riders being clean (as in not taking or doing anything forbidden by the rules).
Edited by Aquarius on 08-09-2013 22:27
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| skofan |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:31
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You're trying to say we shouldn't talk about doping, bacause by talking we won't change anything. Therefore, by that logic, we shouldn't talk about anything. You just killed internet forums!
more like trying to say that there's a time and a place for it, and while the time for it is now, the place for it is in a discussion trying to come up with ideas to solve the issue.
also the problem isnt that some people use doping, its that everyone does, so you have to do it to succeed. getting rid of doping would most likely require shorter races, with less brutal climbs, so that would be a good place to start, instead of going in the opposite direction. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:35
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We don't have a dedicated topic (used to, but that didn't really work), so we talk about it where or when needed. Not that my opinion really matters, but I like it that way better than CN forums for example.
I can't believe some people still think forbidding marathons because they're too long and exhausting would solve doping issues in running. It's not like 100 m has a clean record...
And "everyone does". What to say ? It's not June 1998 any more... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:36
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skofan wrote:
more like trying to say that there's a time and a place for it, and while the time for it is now, the place for it is in a discussion trying to come up with ideas to solve the issue.
No. We are nobodies (as far as the antidoping fight is concerned) talking in a PCM forum. It's not our burden to find the way to solve the issue, but the UCI's (lol), WADA's and teams'/riders'.
skofan wrote:
also the problem isnt that some people use doping, its that everyone does, so you have to do it to succeed. getting rid of doping would most likely require shorter races, with less brutal climbs, so that would be a good place to start, instead of going in the opposite direction.
1) Not everyone dopes. Not even close (see Aquarius' post).
2) Shorter/less brutal races are NOT a solution, nor helps fighting doping in the slightest. Riders dope to go faster, not to be able to finish. For more reference look up Marion Jones or Tyson Gay.
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| skofan |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:39
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Aquarius wrote:
I'm afraid we'll have to marry, but I really don't want to (who knows, maybe you're a nice chick full or qualities and I should reconsider my statement, but somehow I doubt that).
How can you be certain all the peloton is doped ? That's an abusive generalization. Most enlightened observers seem to agree on a proportion of 50 to 70 % of riders being clean (as in not taking or doing anything forbidden by the rules).
i dont think i said everyone, but since it came off as such, ill clarify.
the guys in front trying to win, and the heaviest of the guys in the rear.
edit: for the shorter races, its not for the riders, its for the spectators.
double edit, i did say everyone, i ment it as a generalization, referring to the stars of the sport.
Edited by skofan on 08-09-2013 22:45
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 09-09-2013 12:35
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has anyone been watching saxobanks backstage pass on youtube great insight into the team at the veulta?
https://www.youtub...AKo3x3ljcw
Edited by deek12345 on 09-09-2013 12:36
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-09-2013 13:30
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skofan wrote:
if anyone in the top 10 is clean, ill marry you, and we can ride into the sunset together to rule the magical kingdom of tomorrowland together.
Considering the current top 10, start picking your bridal dress
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-09-2013 13:33
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issoisso wrote:
skofan wrote:
if anyone in the top 10 is clean, ill marry you, and we can ride into the sunset together to rule the magical kingdom of tomorrowland together.
Considering the current top 10, start picking your bridal dress
Who do you believe to be clean?
König? |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-09-2013 13:39
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Ian Butler wrote:
issoisso wrote:
skofan wrote:
if anyone in the top 10 is clean, ill marry you, and we can ride into the sunset together to rule the magical kingdom of tomorrowland together.
Considering the current top 10, start picking your bridal dress
Who do you believe to be clean?
König?
Not clean. Probably cleanest. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-09-2013 14:04
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Ian Butler wrote:
issoisso wrote:
skofan wrote:
if anyone in the top 10 is clean, ill marry you, and we can ride into the sunset together to rule the magical kingdom of tomorrowland together.
Considering the current top 10, start picking your bridal dress
Who do you believe to be clean?
König?
Along with Pinot, I'd say
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:05
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Alakagom wrote:
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I cant really understand Pinot downhill. In the Tour he couldnt go down stairs and now he can do well in rain 
He has fear of speed. Not descents. 
Rain makes everyone go a lot slower and it benefits Pinot a lot in this case.
[Catching up on day before yesterday's part of the thread, yes I'm that behind...]
Plus it's related to a past trauma that was triggered by a recent near miss, he has been fine in the past. I'm sure since the Tour he has been building up his confidence and speed on descents to get over the latest relapse. Might even have deployed a shrink to help out too.
Edited by ianrussell on 09-09-2013 15:08
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:07
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I actually think horner is the cleanest of them all. He probably just held back his strenght all his career just to surprise at this Vuelta |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:08
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StevenGreen wrote:
I actually think horner is the cleanest of them all. He probably just held back his strenght all his career just to surprise at this Vuelta
Ohhhhhhkay
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:10
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Strydz wrote:
StevenGreen wrote:
I actually think horner is the cleanest of them all. He probably just held back his strenght all his career just to surprise at this Vuelta
Ohhhhhhkay
Its like the perfect plan.. |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:26
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StevenGreen wrote:
Strydz wrote:
StevenGreen wrote:
I actually think horner is the cleanest of them all. He probably just held back his strenght all his career just to surprise at this Vuelta
Ohhhhhhkay
Its like the perfect plan..
Yeah, how couldn't we just figure it out? And Froome? He always been the world's best stage racer, he just wanted to wait for 2011 to show up. |
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:29
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Well, froome is different, he is still relatively young |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 09-09-2013 15:47
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More catch up - not sure if Geniez was ballsy or mad on the descents yesterday but great win. Felt sorry for him riding into France to win with all of 50 people to cheer him home at the finish line  |
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 09-09-2013 16:31
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Rodriguez peaking for that third week as expected. Great finish today. |
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