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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 20-03-2013 17:07
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No way Quintana 's 77 MO I would say its ok . Cmon you cant compare him with Scarponi , Hesjdedal , Pinot , Rolland , Basso this guys have some results in GC he does not . So until he proves he can climb in a BIG race , 77 is very good. Also its start of the season many riders are not fit
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 20-03-2013 17:08
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Valvrde after the Ardennes Classics he will earn 81 in Hills, because with Purito and Gilbert are the best in Hills |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-03-2013 17:23
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raulvasa_9 wrote:
The progression of Nairo Quintana is awesome. I don´t know if you also change the potential stat, but this rider will win the Tour of France, I´m sure...
Sorry, but you can't really say that at all. You can guess, but it's only a guess 
It's so so normal for a guy to be that good at that age and then never improve (or in a lot of cases, get a lot worse very quickly).
Heck, I can name a few guys who were better at that age and got so much worse they were domestiques before they turned 30yo
raulvasa_9 wrote:
, unluckily, if alakagom will change the stats before the Giro, he won´t see the podium of Quintana in that race Nevertheless, I hope you´ve seen the stage of Volta, awesome Quintana, and awesome Valverde waiting behind Purito.
Quintana's not planned to ride the Giro (I say "planned" because Unzué changes his mind twice a month unfortunately)
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| raulvasa_9 |
Posted on 20-03-2013 19:22
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alex valceanu wrote:
No way Quintana 's 77 MO I would say its ok . Cmon you cant compare him with Scarponi , Hesjdedal , Pinot , Rolland , Basso this guys have some results in GC he does not . So until he proves he can climb in a BIG race , 77 is very good. Also its start of the season many riders are not fit
In last Vuelta, he was working for Valverde almost the end of the Mountain´s stages. Today he´s defeated very good climbers, as Pinot, Wiggins, Scarponi... It´s true that is the beggining of the season, but al of them were fighting for winning the stage. |
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| raulvasa_9 |
Posted on 20-03-2013 19:25
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Smal wrote:
79 mountain would make him much better than Porte and Porte climbed much better than Quintana in Paris-Nice
I think ParÃs Niza is a race without high mountain like today; there was a race with hills, where power riders as porte as better than nairo, but today was a high mountain race, and in this kind os stage nairo is better than Porte |
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| raulvasa_9 |
Posted on 20-03-2013 19:28
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issoisso wrote:
raulvasa_9 wrote:
The progression of Nairo Quintana is awesome. I don´t know if you also change the potential stat, but this rider will win the Tour of France, I´m sure...
Sorry, but you can't really say that at all. You can guess, but it's only a guess
It's so so normal for a guy to be that good at that age and then never improve (or in a lot of cases, get a lot worse very quickly).
Heck, I can name a few guys who were better at that age and got so much worse they were domestiques before they turned 30yo
raulvasa_9 wrote:
, unluckily, if alakagom will change the stats before the Giro, he won´t see the podium of Quintana in that race Nevertheless, I hope you´ve seen the stage of Volta, awesome Quintana, and awesome Valverde waiting behind Purito.
Quintana's not planned to ride the Giro (I say "planned" because Unzué changes his mind twice a month unfortunately)
Are you sure?? I´ve heard one month ago that he will be the top rider with Intxausti of Movistar in the Giro. If you are right, what a pity... I think the Giro is the harder GT with such high and difficult mountain, the best way to shinning for Nairo |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-03-2013 17:13
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raulvasa_9 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
raulvasa_9 wrote:
The progression of Nairo Quintana is awesome. I don´t know if you also change the potential stat, but this rider will win the Tour of France, I´m sure...
Sorry, but you can't really say that at all. You can guess, but it's only a guess
It's so so normal for a guy to be that good at that age and then never improve (or in a lot of cases, get a lot worse very quickly).
Heck, I can name a few guys who were better at that age and got so much worse they were domestiques before they turned 30yo
raulvasa_9 wrote:
, unluckily, if alakagom will change the stats before the Giro, he won´t see the podium of Quintana in that race Nevertheless, I hope you´ve seen the stage of Volta, awesome Quintana, and awesome Valverde waiting behind Purito.
Quintana's not planned to ride the Giro (I say "planned" because Unzué changes his mind twice a month unfortunately)
Are you sure?? I´ve heard one month ago that he will be the top rider with Intxausti of Movistar in the Giro. If you are right, what a pity... I think the Giro is the harder GT with such high and difficult mountain, the best way to shinning for Nairo
Yes. Over the season so far, the Movistar Giro leader went from Valverde to Quintana, to Intxausti, to Capecchi and back to Intxausti. Current plan is Quintana to the Tour to support Valverde
Edited by issoisso on 21-03-2013 17:14
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 21-03-2013 17:20
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I think now Nairo Quintana with 77 it´s fine, maybe later he could show any more, but now it´s ok.
Mauro Finetto, I think that before was better than now. 72 in Hills and 71/72 in Sprints maybe better for him. What do you think??
Edited by AiZaK on 21-03-2013 17:21
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-03-2013 19:33
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IMO Quintana could hace 78 MO like Thibaut Pinot hes doing at Catalunya even better than him not to mention that last Year was the only one who could keep the pace with Contador, Valverde and Rodriguez in the Mountains. He has been since last Year continuously better than other riders with better MO and Hill stat. Also his Hill could be +1, in P-N show that he could have easy ended up in the Podium without his crash in a Race that was mostly Hilly rather than Mountain Race. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 24-03-2013 14:58
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 24-03-2013 16:30
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Btw, just to inform you, I was thinking of potentials. And especially the potentials of riders that are on top ( Contador, Cavendish etc. ). They are given high potentials, but that means they will develop further possibly as well, ie. in some games I played Cav became quite a good climber and puncheur as well as being best sprinter, that's quite unrealistic.
So, I am thinking of lowering potentials of the top riders that are very unlikely to improve much further. Do you think it's good idea or should it stay the way it is?
This question is mostly directed to those that played few seasons and seen the development of the best riders and how they did develop, if at all.
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| TTspecialist |
Posted on 24-03-2013 16:31
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That's true,you should do that 
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 24-03-2013 16:34
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You should do that. Every sprinter , if you train them as climber, they will evolve into the 70's. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 24-03-2013 16:41
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Alakagom its a good idea. As I mentioned in the suggestions thread I had in my career:
Gilbert MO 76
Cavendish 74 Hill
Purito 77 CO
Cancellara 77 MO
A. Schleck 80 TT  |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 24-03-2013 16:52
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That's a good idea, Andy Schleck (3rd season) with 79TT is not realistic 
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 24-03-2013 16:53
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Very good ideal Alakagom |
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 24-03-2013 18:51
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Thats good . I mean Sagan is a beast right now , he cant improve much more even if he is young cuz he will just become Eddy Mercx , and thats not possible nowadays . And yea Schleck , Quintana , etc have good climbing stats , realistic , but if they have a 7 potential they will just become very good TT-ers and Puncheurs thats not real . Another option would be limiting the ride's stats ( ex: Andy cand improve his TT over 72 - never ever , or )
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-03-2013 18:52
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I agree with you Alak, seems a good idea
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 24-03-2013 19:22
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Alakagom wrote:
Btw, just to inform you, I was thinking of potentials. And especially the potentials of riders that are on top ( Contador, Cavendish etc. ). They are given high potentials, but that means they will develop further possibly as well, ie. in some games I played Cav became quite a good climber and puncheur as well as being best sprinter, that's quite unrealistic.
So, I am thinking of lowering potentials of the top riders that are very unlikely to improve much further. Do you think it's good idea or should it stay the way it is?
This question is mostly directed to those that played few seasons and seen the development of the best riders and how they did develop, if at all.
What you could also do is just set the limits of the riders in those stats in the db. If there are no limits the db generates them after from their potential, but if limits are set in place before it should do the same, without having to lower all their potentials.
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 24-03-2013 19:30
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Valv is right. If you set gene_i_(stat)_limit to maybe 1 or 2 above the gene_i_(stat)_character or whatever it is the rider will not progress, and the high potential will keep him from falling too much after gene_i_age_decline is reached.
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