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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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Posted on 17-10-2012 21:43
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arthon wrote:
This list of alternative winners is really nice, but I'm not sure about it's accuracy. I mean, Sastre? 
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Posted on 17-10-2012 22:05
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Deadpool wrote:
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Ian Butler wrote:
UCI already said they'd leave the TDF's without a winner.
When by their own rules the victory has to be granted to the second.
What a bunch of amateurs...
In a couple of these races you'd be dropping off the podium to get the next rider, and a lot of those guys are highly questionable as well.
Fine by me.
I agree with that, but they've not been condemned for that, unlike Armstrong.
It'd be fine by me too to have blank lines, but I think the UCI look like fools (wait, that's what they are after all) when they take a stance against their own rule. |
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Posted on 17-10-2012 23:39
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And Lance's biggest sponsor, Trek, has dropped off the wagon as well. By my count, only Oakley, SRAM, Honey Stinger, and FRS are left. Only SRAM matters out of that group.
Trek dropping him is unimaginable. It has got to be the final straw.
“Trek is disappointed by the findings and conclusions in the USADA report regarding Lance Armstrong. Given the determinations of the report, Trek today is terminating our longterm relationship with Lance Armstrong. Trek will continue to support the Livestrong Foundation and its efforts to combat cancer.”
I checked Trek's internal dealer website (I worked at a Trek dealer for a while, and know my shop's login), and that's all that is there as well.
Important note. Trek, like the rest of the companies, aren't dropping their association with Livestrong. As such, it seems likely they'd be willing to continue to support Bontrager-Livestrong (Bontrager is Trek's component brand, and Trek supplies the team bikes themselves), assuming Lance gave up control of the team itself.
It'll be interesting to see what happens there.
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A confession from Lance? Not going to happen. Maybe when he's 90 or something, but I doubt it.
Didn't see this earlier. I agree that Lance would never, ever, admit what he's done if he was making the decision on his own...but there is a very good reason why he pays Bart Knaggs and Ogilvy a shit-ton of money to advise him. They're going to push him towards doing at least a partial admittance. I was adamant that this was going to happen, and that was before today's fire-bombing of Lance's legacy. I'm dead certain it'll happen in the next few weeks here.
Hell, I've already called it. Jeremy Schapp, Sunday Conversation on SportsCenter. Won't be this weekend, but I'd said before Thanksgiving (the 22nd of November) at the latest.
Here's a quote from a Velonews article, talking to a very well known PR guy:
Carter noted that a surprising number of disgraced athletes manage to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of fans and sponsors. Armstrong might be different, not only because he was already retired from top-flight cycling when he was banned, but also because he has never admitted any wrongdoing.
“The only way they come back is when they take personal responsibility and accountability for what they’ve done,” Carter said. “He has not taken responsibility.”
EDIT: Speaking of ESPN, however, here are the results of their poll on the Armstrong issue.
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Posted on 18-10-2012 00:10
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Just to add to Deadpool's post, Honey Stinger are gone aswell
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Posted on 18-10-2012 00:11
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Ian Butler wrote:
UCI already said they'd leave the TDF's without a winner.
I think they should award the Tours to the first placed rider who is known to be clean or hasn't at least admitted doping or been implicated in some way. It would be a good way for the UCI to give something back to the riders whose chances of winning they ruined by turning a blind eye to doping. |
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Posted on 18-10-2012 00:54
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Strydz wrote:
Just to add to Deadpool's post, Honey Stinger are gone aswell
And FRS is gone too. I'm starting to wonder if I was mistaken in thinking that SRAM still had a deal with him, because I've heard nothing.
Oakley is the only company left confirmed...
EDIT: Giro also dropped him today.
Aquarius wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
UCI already said they'd leave the TDF's without a winner.
When by their own rules the victory has to be granted to the second.
What a bunch of amateurs...
In a couple of these races you'd be dropping off the podium to get the next rider, and a lot of those guys are highly questionable as well.
Fine by me.
I agree with that, but they've not been condemned for that, unlike Armstrong.
It'd be fine by me too to have blank lines, but I think the UCI look like fools (wait, that's what they are after all) when they take a stance against their own rule.
This isn't Dmitro Graboviski winning the Tour of Turkey. There are mitigating factors.
To me it's the proper choice. It'll be especially powerful looking back and seeing this as somewhat of a lost era from the GT perspective.
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Posted on 18-10-2012 01:24
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I suspect he might run some quiet 'I confess' memo through the mill on Nov 7th to coincide with Obama's re-election or Romney's Win-and-I-move-family-back-to-Europe big night.
That or he's hoping for a small nuclear detonation in a mid-size US city. Anything to make it a small story on a bigger day.
It's hard to see where else he goes, frankly. Even if he goes into an ivory tower, it's hard to image he doesn't have more to say. In the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure it matters very much what he has to say anymore. An earlier confession and detailed explanation could have meant something for both him and the sport, especially if in tandem with/organized by the riders of his generation.
Regardless, anything he has to say (maybe short of corroborating UCI collusion) isn't changing the current cycling structure. How many of us believe the current climate is that much different?
It was eleven more than necessary.
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Posted on 18-10-2012 01:28
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Very smart call on him possibly burying it in the run-up or just after the election. I could definitely see it happening.
It needs to happen because of this.
Edited by Deadpool on 18-10-2012 01:29
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Posted on 18-10-2012 01:33
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Its sad to see because i am American and I did look up to Armstrong, but the one thing i want him to do is confess, Just admit you doped, admit what is already out there. Marion Jones (American Track runner) was in a similar situation and she confessed. Lance can't hide anymore behind his PR people, admit you made a HUGE mistake, and try to move on from this era and focus on what's going on TODAY and for the future.
"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-10-2012 03:02
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XxMillad24Xx wrote:
Its sad to see because i am American and I did look up to Armstrong, but the one thing i want him to do is confess, Just admit you doped, admit what is already out there. Marion Jones (American Track runner) was in a similar situation and she confessed. Lance can't hide anymore behind his PR people, admit you made a HUGE mistake, and try to move on from this era and focus on what's going on TODAY and for the future.
Surely he has to do it at some stage, it wouldn;t suprise me if he did do it just before the election so it gets drowned out. If he had just gone along with USADA then he at least could of salvaged something out of this, I still think in his own mind he doesn't think what he did was wrong.
XxMillad24Xx U.S cycling will come through this and in the end will be better for it
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Posted on 18-10-2012 11:08
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I dont see what he gains by confessing and burying it. The only way for him to salvage rep would be for people to believe his done a geninue confessional and push for a clean sport.
For me, he will eitheer refuse to ever confess, or it will be hugely high profile. Those are his best options, buried confession doesnt help either way imo. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-10-2012 11:49
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Meanwhile, we have still some people who vote here, that Armstrong was not doped. 
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Posted on 18-10-2012 12:02
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Meanwhile, we have still some people who vote here, that Armstrong was not doped.
In fairness I think some people are voting know cos they thought he was using drugs in 1999, and hense dont think his guilty 'in light of recent events' . |
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Posted on 18-10-2012 12:27
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Flair wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Meanwhile, we have still some people who vote here, that Armstrong was not doped.
In fairness I think some people are voting know cos they thought he was using drugs in 1999, and hense dont think his guilty 'in light of recent events' .
Could be, i am not so optimistic. I had my doubts about him also when he was riding and still voted yes. Maybe more people can approach the question differently, yes. 
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 18-10-2012 16:53
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CLURPR wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
UCI already said they'd leave the TDF's without a winner.
I think they should award the Tours to the first placed rider who is known to be clean or hasn't at least admitted doping or been implicated in some way. It would be a good way for the UCI to give something back to the riders whose chances of winning they ruined by turning a blind eye to doping.
We probably don't have a valid winner. |
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| Flair |
Posted on 18-10-2012 18:39
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They just award them all to bassonng. |
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Posted on 18-10-2012 19:53
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"I won those races." |
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Posted on 18-10-2012 20:01
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There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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Posted on 18-10-2012 20:04
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Very harsh on Livestrong cactus...
But funny
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 19-10-2012 01:04
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I was right about SRAM still being an Armstrong sponsor...because they just dropped him.
Only Oakley left I now believe. This is even worse then what happened with Woods. |
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