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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 13-07-2012 09:57
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johannes-w wrote:
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Why does the topic Doping always surface when cyclists perform great? The success of Sky has NOTHING to do with doping, but with great preparations, hard training and good tactics.
The constant talk about doping gets me, and many others kinda angry. The sport isn't about doping, it's about performances. When someone is performing great, that doesn't mean they use doping. So let's just talk about a great Tour de France instead of insulting riders of using doping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I don't want to sound bitter, but you probably don't watch cycling for too long, do you? Doping is always dicussed when we see incredibly strong performances, because often enough those riders were doped  You just have to look at how many top riders just in the last ten years have been involved in doping scandals. You can ignore it, of course, but its just facts(Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Contador, Vino, Ricco, etc.....). So there will be speculations, as well, when there are new incredibly good riders suddenly!
And stop thinking that this is all about you brits. The team/ riders could be from any other country and the discussion would be exactly the same, only that you would probably say they are doped as well.
If you don't like seeing this discussion, stop visiting this thread 
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| Indurain |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:05
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ringo182 wrote:
i think you've got the name of this thread wrong.
It should be called "bitter little europeans jealous of British domination and hiding behind their computer screens".
Stupid little british are Europeans to... |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:09
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So because you minds have been warped by various drug scandels in your own country it means that it must be the same for a british rider on a british team?
You can't hold past drug scandels against Team Sky which is what everyone is doing.
Sky and it's riders had nothing to do with any of the past scandels so nowe why are these past scandels being used as proof that sky are doping?
The fact is that Froome has always had potential which is why Sky signed him. The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly. The fact is that no one has any evidence to the contrary and are holding their past experience of spanish, french, italian etc riders against sky.
You can all gang up on me as much as you like but i am in the right beacause i am the only person not making false accusations against a whole team.
How is cycling ever going to shake off the shadow of cycling if its own fans accuse every sccessful cyclist of being doped? |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:20
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did it ever occur to you that Sky would be under pressure, given the phone tapping scandal and their promise that they would have a "British winner of the Tour De France within 5 years", i know this is only the third year, but what better way to peak British interest than have a tour winner and a domination of the olympics?
Froome has always had potential, no one's disputing that, we're disputing his meteoric rise to the top from mediocrity (and inconsistency) a year ago, and the dominance of Wiggins on all tours (which has NEVER been achieved before) he's entered this year |
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| housoe |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:22
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ringo182 wrote:
So because you minds have been warped by various drug scandels in your own country it means that it must be the same for a british rider on a british team?
You can't hold past drug scandels against Team Sky which is what everyone is doing.
Sky and it's riders had nothing to do with any of the past scandels so nowe why are these past scandels being used as proof that sky are doping?
The fact is that Froome has always had potential which is why Sky signed him. The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly. The fact is that no one has any evidence to the contrary and are holding their past experience of spanish, french, italian etc riders against sky.
You can all gang up on me as much as you like but i am in the right beacause i am the only person not making false accusations against a whole team.
How is cycling ever going to shake off the shadow of cycling if its own fans accuse every sccessful cyclist of being doped?
So you are actually stating that the fact that Froome and Wiggins are british means they are not doping. You are almost saying that if it where riders from Spain France or Italy performing like this you would think there where doping, because of past experience.
Sorry that a lot of Bull***t, nationality means nothing, every one performning like this would be suspect. I'm not saying sky is doping, but hell if it was Astana performing like this would you still say the same.
It does not matter if your British or from Kazakhstan, the performance i suspect and you really can't deny that.
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| johannes-w |
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ringo182 wrote:
So because you minds have been warped by various drug scandels in your own country it means that it must be the same for a british rider on a british team?
You can't hold past drug scandels against Team Sky which is what everyone is doing.
Sky and it's riders had nothing to do with any of the past scandels so nowe why are these past scandels being used as proof that sky are doping?
The fact is that Froome has always had potential which is why Sky signed him. The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly. The fact is that no one has any evidence to the contrary and are holding their past experience of spanish, french, italian etc riders against sky.
You can all gang up on me as much as you like but i am in the right beacause i am the only person not making false accusations against a whole team.
How is cycling ever going to shake off the shadow of cycling if its own fans accuse every sccessful cyclist of being doped?
I count various countries (Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Contador, Vino, Ricco, etc.....)
so not just my own
Well maybe sky riders arent involved in doping scandals of the past, wait not even that is true(start reading the last few pages - eg. Rogers), but at least Sky is involved in the scandals of the "past" through their doc!
What you are saying sounds like: "there is no doping in GB, but only in the other european countries.. Yeah right - the "revolutionary training methods" - I get it now...
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| roberpesca |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:34
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It is very naive to think that there is no doping. They are all using doping substances. I got that clear. It's not new, it happened before, it happens now and it will happen in the future.
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| housoe |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:34
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johannes-w wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
So because you minds have been warped by various drug scandels in your own country it means that it must be the same for a british rider on a british team?
You can't hold past drug scandels against Team Sky which is what everyone is doing.
Sky and it's riders had nothing to do with any of the past scandels so nowe why are these past scandels being used as proof that sky are doping?
The fact is that Froome has always had potential which is why Sky signed him. The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly. The fact is that no one has any evidence to the contrary and are holding their past experience of spanish, french, italian etc riders against sky.
You can all gang up on me as much as you like but i am in the right beacause i am the only person not making false accusations against a whole team.
How is cycling ever going to shake off the shadow of cycling if its own fans accuse every sccessful cyclist of being doped?
I count various countries (Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Contador, Vino, Ricco, etc.....)
so not just my own
Well maybe sky riders arent involved in doping scandals of the past, wait not even that is true(start reading the last few pages - eg. Rogers), but at least Sky is involved in the scandals of the "past" through their doc!
What you are saying sounds like: "there is no doping in GB, but only in the other european countries.. Yeah right - the "revolutionary training methods" - I get it now...
And Actually i remember a guy named Millar, where is he from?
Is it Spain or Italy, no thats right he must be french then.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:37
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housoe wrote:
johannes-w wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
So because you minds have been warped by various drug scandels in your own country it means that it must be the same for a british rider on a british team?
You can't hold past drug scandels against Team Sky which is what everyone is doing.
Sky and it's riders had nothing to do with any of the past scandels so nowe why are these past scandels being used as proof that sky are doping?
The fact is that Froome has always had potential which is why Sky signed him. The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly. The fact is that no one has any evidence to the contrary and are holding their past experience of spanish, french, italian etc riders against sky.
You can all gang up on me as much as you like but i am in the right beacause i am the only person not making false accusations against a whole team.
How is cycling ever going to shake off the shadow of cycling if its own fans accuse every sccessful cyclist of being doped?
I count various countries (Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Contador, Vino, Ricco, etc.....)
so not just my own
Well maybe sky riders arent involved in doping scandals of the past, wait not even that is true(start reading the last few pages - eg. Rogers), but at least Sky is involved in the scandals of the "past" through their doc!
What you are saying sounds like: "there is no doping in GB, but only in the other european countries.. Yeah right - the "revolutionary training methods" - I get it now...
And Actually i remember a guy named Millar, where is he from?
Is it Spain or Italy, no thats right he must be french then.
Nah he is scottish, u know that British thing when someone is brilliant he's a brit and when he isnt he returns to being scottish, northern irish, welsh etc. |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:38
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
housoe wrote:
johannes-w wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
So because you minds have been warped by various drug scandels in your own country it means that it must be the same for a british rider on a british team?
You can't hold past drug scandels against Team Sky which is what everyone is doing.
Sky and it's riders had nothing to do with any of the past scandels so nowe why are these past scandels being used as proof that sky are doping?
The fact is that Froome has always had potential which is why Sky signed him. The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly. The fact is that no one has any evidence to the contrary and are holding their past experience of spanish, french, italian etc riders against sky.
You can all gang up on me as much as you like but i am in the right beacause i am the only person not making false accusations against a whole team.
How is cycling ever going to shake off the shadow of cycling if its own fans accuse every sccessful cyclist of being doped?
I count various countries (Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Contador, Vino, Ricco, etc.....)
so not just my own
Well maybe sky riders arent involved in doping scandals of the past, wait not even that is true(start reading the last few pages - eg. Rogers), but at least Sky is involved in the scandals of the "past" through their doc!
What you are saying sounds like: "there is no doping in GB, but only in the other european countries.. Yeah right - the "revolutionary training methods" - I get it now...
And Actually i remember a guy named Millar, where is he from?
Is it Spain or Italy, no thats right he must be french then.
Nah he is scottish, u know that British thing when someone is brilliant he's a brit and when he isnt he returns to being scottish, northern irish, welsh etc.
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| housoe |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:44
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Nah he is scottish, u know that British thing when someone is brilliant he's a brit and when he isnt he returns to being scottish, northern irish, welsh etc.
Of course and if Froome gets caught he's just a cheating kenyan guy...
Same goes for Wiggins he's Belgian right!!!!
Edited by housoe on 13-07-2012 10:44
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:44
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Nah he is scottish, u know that British thing when someone is brilliant he's a brit and when he isnt he returns to being scottish, northern irish, welsh etc.
so like Wiggins was Belgian last year then  |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:44
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This is insane.
Edited by Teddy The Creator on 13-07-2012 10:45
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
This is insane.
holy she-ite, Rogers?! |
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Posted on 13-07-2012 10:48
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The whole "we're british, we don't dope" stuff is ridiculous. We have largely the same attitude here in Norway. Yet when a world class race walker was busted doping last year, he was more or less excused and defended by the press, and now he'll be participating in the London olympics. It's disgraceful attitude thinking doping only is something everyone else do.
As for the history of cycling, it has shown time and time again that if the performance looks too good to be true, it usually is, and that's regardless of country or team. With the continous flow of scandals since the Festina/TVM bust in 98, you can't really blame people for having serious doubts when virtually no name riders starts dominating the best climbers in the world.
From what I gathered, Froome wasn't even certain of getting his contract renewed with Sky until he suddenly was world class in last year's Vuelta. With cycling history in mind, you gotta be pretty naive and ignorant to not have ANY doubts about such massive performance increases. |
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| housoe |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:48
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
This is insane.
Rogers performance yesterday was inded insane like Porte the day before. Christopher "Ricco" Froome every minute of this tour, insanity never seen clean racing like that before.
Edited by housoe on 13-07-2012 10:52
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Posted on 13-07-2012 10:49
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housoe wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
This is insane.
Rogers performance yesterday was inded insane like Porte the day before and Froome every minute of this tour.
And remember Froome attacked then slowed down then won the sprint after setting the pace for about 9kms up the Toussaire. Crazy.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:57
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ringo182 wrote:
So i oppose your opinion and i'm arrogant. What kind of argument is that.
I'm not anti europe or anything. I'm anti people making up shit because they are bitter about one countries success.
No one on hear knows any facts yet you all talk like it's a forgone conclusion.
I'm also pretty sure that this thread is pretty close to being illegal.
You can't just post unfounded accusations on the web with no evidence other then "Froome wasn't this good when he was riding for a cntinental team, It's a bit strange he's suddenly reaching his full potential at the most scientifically advanced team in the world".
I dont give a shite about from which country the riders are, i would write the same words about french,spanish, italian, uganda,whatever...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 13-07-2012 10:58
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
housoe wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
This is insane.
Rogers performance yesterday was inded insane like Porte the day before and Froome every minute of this tour.
And remember Froome attacked then slowed down then won the sprint after setting the pace for about 9kms up the Toussaire. Crazy.
just remember that this is not definitive proof that sky are doped
it just makes it 99% likely with no proof
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| Avin Wargunnson |
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ringo182 wrote:
The fact is that sky are devising revolutionary training methods. The result is a rider like Froome developing quickly.
I can only on this
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