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2013 Vuelta a Espana - Week 3 (8th September - 15th September)
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 13-09-2013 18:53
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I was looking back at the pre-Vuelta thread ('What to expect in the Vuelta' or something) to see what our opinions were of Horner before the Vuelta. And how many times do you think his name was mentioned in 24 pages of pre-race discussion?
Nice preview once again - should be the first stage I'll be able to watch live for a long time which is good. I hadn't noticed that beastly 1st category climb before the Angliru before, so they'll start the ascent with a fairly thinned out peloton I would have thought.
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 13-09-2013 19:40
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Stromeon wrote:
I was looking back at the pre-Vuelta thread ('What to expect in the Vuelta' or something) to see what our opinions were of Horner before the Vuelta. And how many times do you think his name was mentioned in 24 pages of pre-race discussion?
Nice preview once again - should be the first stage I'll be able to watch live for a long time which is good. I hadn't noticed that beastly 1st category climb before the Angliru before, so they'll start the ascent with a fairly thinned out peloton I would have thought.
who was the genius that mentiomed him,good call whoever it was |
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 13-09-2013 20:17
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Again, for all you horner haters:
Who do you think you are to judge horner. Do you have any proof that horner is benefitting from unallowed substances right now?? NO! (and i volunteerly repeat: doping is not something like: "oh my gosh, its so obvious horner doped, he just cant be that good,blablabla" He is fresh, nibali did the giro, valverde purito the tdf. and maybe he just got a really good training plan an dis in a really good form.
If you say horner is doped, then is say: Valverde, Purito etc are doped as well. You find just as much articles about them and doping.
So, either all of them are doped and horner is jsut a little more doped, or: They all are not doped and horner is just better in this vuelta, because of various reasons(form,freshness,training maybe).
If you are always thinking about who might be doped and who not, you cant enjoy cycling.
So, unless they are caught, thy must be considered clean! |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 13-09-2013 20:19
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I really wish Horner was clean, I do. But it's more likely that Schleck finishes a race than him beeing clean. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 13-09-2013 20:21
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Miguel98 wrote:
I really wish Horner was clean, I do. But it's more likely that wins a race than him beeing clean.
FYP
He actually finished some races this year
Edited by Selwink on 13-09-2013 20:21
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 13-09-2013 20:29
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StevenGreen wrote:
Again, for all you horner haters:
Who do you think you are to judge horner. Do you have any proof that horner is benefitting from unallowed substances right now?? NO! (and i volunteerly repeat: doping is not something like: "oh my gosh, its so obvious horner doped, he just cant be that good,blablabla" He is fresh, nibali did the giro, valverde purito the tdf. and maybe he just got a really good training plan an dis in a really good form.
If you say horner is doped, then is say: Valverde, Purito etc are doped as well. You find just as much articles about them and doping.
So, either all of them are doped and horner is jsut a little more doped, or: They all are not doped and horner is just better in this vuelta, because of various reasons(form,freshness,training maybe).
If you are always thinking about who might be doped and who not, you cant enjoy cycling.
So, unless they are caught, thy must be considered clean!
He has never finished on any GT podium nor has been close to it. And suddenly at age of 42 he finds form of his life and is best climber and beating guys like Nibali/Purito/Valverde.
And his motive is getting contract for next year and his meds worked too effectively.
He is a cheat who raced with Armstrong, knew everything about him and just kept quite. You can see from Johan Bruneels tweet how close they are. Horner is a cheat and will be caught eventually.
You cant say same about new class of clean athletes who have never been implicated in any doping scandals like Evans, Nibali, Wiggins, Froome. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 13-09-2013 20:37
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StevenGreen wrote:
Again, for all you horner haters:
Who do you think you are to judge horner. Do you have any proof that horner is benefitting from unallowed substances right now?? NO! (and i volunteerly repeat: doping is not something like: "oh my gosh, its so obvious horner doped, he just cant be that good,blablabla" He is fresh, nibali did the giro, valverde purito the tdf. and maybe he just got a really good training plan an dis in a really good form.
If you say horner is doped, then is say: Valverde, Purito etc are doped as well. You find just as much articles about them and doping.
So, either all of them are doped and horner is jsut a little more doped, or: They all are not doped and horner is just better in this vuelta, because of various reasons(form,freshness,training maybe).
If you are always thinking about who might be doped and who not, you cant enjoy cycling.
So, unless they are caught, thy must be considered clean!
Jackpot bro. |
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| juszta |
Posted on 13-09-2013 20:40
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Nin1388 wrote:
StevenGreen wrote:
Again, for all you horner haters:
Who do you think you are to judge horner. Do you have any proof that horner is benefitting from unallowed substances right now?? NO! (and i volunteerly repeat: doping is not something like: "oh my gosh, its so obvious horner doped, he just cant be that good,blablabla" He is fresh, nibali did the giro, valverde purito the tdf. and maybe he just got a really good training plan an dis in a really good form.
If you say horner is doped, then is say: Valverde, Purito etc are doped as well. You find just as much articles about them and doping.
So, either all of them are doped and horner is jsut a little more doped, or: They all are not doped and horner is just better in this vuelta, because of various reasons(form,freshness,training maybe).
If you are always thinking about who might be doped and who not, you cant enjoy cycling.
So, unless they are caught, thy must be considered clean!
He has never finished on any GT podium nor has been close to it.
This. His best result was 9th in the Tour, when he was 3 years younger than now! He should be declining by now, and we can't even say, that he is winning against a weak field... He is just not believable.
And yes, nobody says Valverde (Operation Puerto, etc...) and the others are clean. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 13-09-2013 21:51
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
StevenGreen wrote:
Again, for all you horner haters:
Who do you think you are to judge horner. Do you have any proof that horner is benefitting from unallowed substances right now?? NO! (and i volunteerly repeat: doping is not something like: "oh my gosh, its so obvious horner doped, he just cant be that good,blablabla" He is fresh, nibali did the giro, valverde purito the tdf. and maybe he just got a really good training plan an dis in a really good form.
If you say horner is doped, then is say: Valverde, Purito etc are doped as well. You find just as much articles about them and doping.
So, either all of them are doped and horner is jsut a little more doped, or: They all are not doped and horner is just better in this vuelta, because of various reasons(form,freshness,training maybe).
If you are always thinking about who might be doped and who not, you cant enjoy cycling.
So, unless they are caught, thy must be considered clean!
Jackpot bro.
This wins the thread. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 13-09-2013 21:56
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Just realised something pretty cool. Today was Purito's 8th stage win at the Vuelta - exactly 10 years after his first (non-TTT) one.
He also has one more than Valverde now
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 13-09-2013 21:57
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-09-2013 22:24
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StevenGreen wrote:
Again, for all you horner haters:
Who do you think you are to judge horner. Do you have any proof that horner is benefitting from unallowed substances right now?? NO! (and i volunteerly repeat: doping is not something like: "oh my gosh, its so obvious horner doped, he just cant be that good,blablabla" He is fresh, nibali did the giro, valverde purito the tdf. and maybe he just got a really good training plan an dis in a really good form.
If you say horner is doped, then is say: Valverde, Purito etc are doped as well. You find just as much articles about them and doping.
So, either all of them are doped and horner is jsut a little more doped, or: They all are not doped and horner is just better in this vuelta, because of various reasons(form,freshness,training maybe).
If you are always thinking about who might be doped and who not, you cant enjoy cycling.
So, unless they are caught, thy must be considered clean!
Do you actually answer arguments when somebody answers to your forum posts or do you just come here and drop a message claiming we have no proof, that Horner is clean or that all his opponents are doped ?
Just wondering... |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 13-09-2013 23:40
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Plus, adding to all facts mentioned, Horner had so many freaking injuries in his long career... his performance in this Vuelta is just (too) insane. He's not Superman, but to be sure can someone please throw a Kryptonite rock at him tomorrow?  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-09-2013 23:51
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I like Horner winning just because of all the reactions here. That's why since 2 weeks ago I'm a fierce Horner supporter
It's just like Froome in the Tour although Froome is just too ridicolous for words that it is funny |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 13-09-2013 23:51
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Horner is even more obvious than Sky. At least with Sky, people in the cycling world (riders, managers etc.) try to dodge the question or say they think they are clean. Meanwhile, Horner is called out publicly. And yet, there are still people who think he is innocent...
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-09-2013 00:12
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Sorry but nothing is as obvious as Froome |
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| The-Pot |
Posted on 14-09-2013 00:24
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ruben wrote:
Sorry but nothing is as obvious as Froome
Horner is trying to win that race though. Being more obvious, that is. |
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| lukaas |
Posted on 14-09-2013 00:48
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ruben wrote:
Sorry but nothing is as obvious as Froome
Then you havn't seen this Vuelta. At least Froome did look "normal" at the last stages, Horner is just good every stage. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-09-2013 00:56
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I haven't seen Froome anywhere near normal sorry. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 14-09-2013 05:19
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Nibali seems to have not got the climbing legs, he hoped to get in final week. I think this long climb will suit him better, but we will have to see. Horner is just too strong, but all it takes is small glitch.
Also it is sign of poor showing by Nibali. He won Giro but against weak field. Uran, Evans, and even Wiggins are not same level as Froome, Quintana, Contador. He and Astana wanted to send message to Sky, but are inturn doubting themselves.
Anyway, here is me hoping Nibali puts on good fight and difference is just 3 seconds. It can still swing either way
Edited by Nin1388 on 14-09-2013 05:20
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| Strydz |
Posted on 14-09-2013 05:54
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Nin1388 wrote:
Nibali seems to have not got the climbing legs, he hoped to get in final week. I think this long climb will suit him better, but we will have to see. Horner is just too strong, but all it takes is small glitch.
Also it is sign of poor showing by Nibali. He won Giro but against weak field. Uran, Evans, and even Wiggins are not same level as Froome, Quintana, Contador. He and Astana wanted to send message to Sky, but are inturn doubting themselves.
Anyway, here is me hoping Nibali puts on good fight and difference is just 3 seconds. It can still swing either way
I wouldn't say it was to weak of a field at the Giro compared to here, he peaked for the Giro and I honestly think this was a after thought. He wants a crack at the Worlds at home and that is the training program he was on which would explain his climbing at this race, also he could just be tired
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