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2011 World Championships Road Cycling - Copenhagen
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:43
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So Cav won? thats nice!
I think I got every one of my bets wrong. 
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:46
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GB deserved that win after the massive amounts of work they did today. Well done GB and well done Cavendish. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:54
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I just saw that David Veilleux was 19th! 
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:57
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Aquarius wrote:
Just like Cavedish wouldn't have stood a chance in Bogota 1995, (and on a couple of other circuits so far), pure climbers didn't stand a chance today. And I suppose you can hardly imagine a route that'd give the same chances to Moncoutié and Cavendish. So, choices have to be made.
Of course a little more balance would have been welcome. Some soft cobbles, more narrow and winding roads, more hills if there are any around, etc.
I don't think there should be a race that is too hard either, Mendriso is as tough as it should get, with Cance still having a shot against the pure climbers.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:58
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Aquarius wrote:
Just like Cavedish wouldn't have stood a chance in Bogota 1995, (and on a couple of other circuits so far), pure climbers didn't stand a chance today. And I suppose you can hardly imagine a route that'd give the same chances to Moncoutié and Cavendish. So, choices have to be made.
Of course a little more balance would have been welcome. Some soft cobbles, more narrow and winding roads, more hills if there are any around, etc.
basically something to stop cavendish winning.
people need to accept that some stages suite sprinters and some WC are going to end in a bunch sprint. you can't stop having flat WC just becasue one rider is so dominant. next year will be hillier and people will moan because Gilbert is so dominant.
should we not have a tt championship for the next few years because Martin is so dominant?
there needs to be a mix of WC's to make it fair. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:59
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I don't think you can say that this was way to easy. I'll admit that it wasn't as hard as other editions, but don't forget that Cancellara took 4th from a bunch sprint. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 15:59
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mb2612 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Just like Cavedish wouldn't have stood a chance in Bogota 1995, (and on a couple of other circuits so far), pure climbers didn't stand a chance today. And I suppose you can hardly imagine a route that'd give the same chances to Moncoutié and Cavendish. So, choices have to be made.
Of course a little more balance would have been welcome. Some soft cobbles, more narrow and winding roads, more hills if there are any around, etc.
I don't think there should be a race that is too hard either, Mendriso is as tough as it should get, with Cance still having a shot against the pure climbers.
i'd like to see a mountain WC.
they are too geared up for classics riders at the moment. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:01
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valverde321 wrote:
I just saw that David Veilleux was 19th!
so, you want to get nationalistic, huh? Well, then Nechita today beat Hushovd, Martin, Eisel LL Sanchez and Uran.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:01
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ringo182 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Just like Cavedish wouldn't have stood a chance in Bogota 1995, (and on a couple of other circuits so far), pure climbers didn't stand a chance today. And I suppose you can hardly imagine a route that'd give the same chances to Moncoutié and Cavendish. So, choices have to be made.
Of course a little more balance would have been welcome. Some soft cobbles, more narrow and winding roads, more hills if there are any around, etc.
basically something to stop cavendish winning.
people need to accept that some stages suite sprinters and some WC are going to end in a bunch sprint. you can't stop having flat WC just becasue one rider is so dominant. next year will be hillier and people will moan because Gilbert is so dominant.
should we not have a tt championship for the next few years because Martin is so dominant?
there needs to be a mix of WC's to make it fair.
Yes, but every course needs to have a chance of not being a sprint, Geelong was a sprinters course, but was an excellent race. MSR is a sprinters race, but still can be great.
This course had no hope of not being a sprint, which makes it a bad course.
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:01
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alexkr00 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I just saw that David Veilleux was 19th!
so, you want to get nationalistic, huh? Well, then Nechita today beat Hushovd, Martin, Eisel LL Sanchez and Uran.
Rui Costa and Manuel Cardoso beat all of them. =) |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:03
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FreitasPCM wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I just saw that David Veilleux was 19th!
so, you want to get nationalistic, huh? Well, then Nechita today beat Hushovd, Martin, Eisel LL Sanchez and Uran.
Rui Costa and Manuel Cardoso beat all of them. =)
Yeah, but both of them and Veilleux ride for World Tour or ProConti teams, unlike Nechita. And don't take my moment of glory away
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:04
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FreitasPCM wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I just saw that David Veilleux was 19th!
so, you want to get nationalistic, huh? Well, then Nechita today beat Hushovd, Martin, Eisel LL Sanchez and Uran.
Rui Costa and Manuel Cardoso beat all of them. =)
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| kumazan |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:04
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mb2612 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Just like Cavedish wouldn't have stood a chance in Bogota 1995, (and on a couple of other circuits so far), pure climbers didn't stand a chance today. And I suppose you can hardly imagine a route that'd give the same chances to Moncoutié and Cavendish. So, choices have to be made.
Of course a little more balance would have been welcome. Some soft cobbles, more narrow and winding roads, more hills if there are any around, etc.
I don't think there should be a race that is too hard either, Mendriso is as tough as it should get, with Cance still having a shot against the pure climbers.
I think Duitama should be an example of the hardest Worlds, and Geelong an example of the softest. Anything out of that range shouldn't be a Worlds course.
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| jack888 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:04
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Well done Cav, best man on the day. Feel bad for Goss, but 2nd in the WC isn't bad to have on your CV! |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:05
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ringo182 wrote:
basically something to stop cavendish winning.
Not what I mean. Basically something that also gives other riders a slight chance. Which was hardly case today.
I don't mind a bunch sprint, nor Cavendish winning, but this time we knew the winner's name for one year or something, and everything happened just like anyone with the slightest clue could have told. Very thrilling indeed. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:08
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mb2612 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Just like Cavedish wouldn't have stood a chance in Bogota 1995, (and on a couple of other circuits so far), pure climbers didn't stand a chance today. And I suppose you can hardly imagine a route that'd give the same chances to Moncoutié and Cavendish. So, choices have to be made.
Of course a little more balance would have been welcome. Some soft cobbles, more narrow and winding roads, more hills if there are any around, etc.
basically something to stop cavendish winning.
people need to accept that some stages suite sprinters and some WC are going to end in a bunch sprint. you can't stop having flat WC just becasue one rider is so dominant. next year will be hillier and people will moan because Gilbert is so dominant.
should we not have a tt championship for the next few years because Martin is so dominant?
there needs to be a mix of WC's to make it fair.
Yes, but every course needs to have a chance of not being a sprint, Geelong was a sprinters course, but was an excellent race. MSR is a sprinters race, but still can be great.
This course had no hope of not being a sprint, which makes it a bad course.
any stage has a chance of not ending in a sprint. if the right people get into the break then anything can happen, even on the flatest stage possible.
as i said, to make the WC's fair then there needs to be a mix of courses and every type of rider should have a chance to be WC.
some WC's will suite sprinters and some climbers etc. you can't just start making the courses harder jsut so it isn't "boring". Sometimes thats cycling, like all sports. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:11
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Aquarius wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
basically something to stop cavendish winning.
Not what I mean. Basically something that also gives other riders a slight chance. Which was hardly case today.
I don't mind a bunch sprint, nor Cavendish winning, but this time we knew the winner's name for one year or something, and everything happened just like anyone with the slightest clue could have told. Very thrilling indeed.
but some courses need to give sprinters a chance. if you put in cobbles it will just be another course that is made for classics riders.
every now and then you need a sprinters WC. |
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| Jonathan |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:12
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| Kami |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:14
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ringo182 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
basically something to stop cavendish winning.
Not what I mean. Basically something that also gives other riders a slight chance. Which was hardly case today.
I don't mind a bunch sprint, nor Cavendish winning, but this time we knew the winner's name for one year or something, and everything happened just like anyone with the slightest clue could have told. Very thrilling indeed.
but some courses need to give sprinters a chance. if you put in cobbles it will just be another course that is made for classics riders.
every now and then you need a sprinters WC.
Freire, Boonen, Hushovd? All sprinters, but more complete riders (in the sence of not only being a pure sprinter).
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 25-09-2011 16:22
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cactus-jack wrote:
How far ahead is the route for the WC announced? Won't the next race be similar to Amstel?
Do you know anything about how the route will be in 2013, or something?
As far as I know the 2012 route is done: https://www.limburg2012.nl/section.php...parcoursen
I also tried to find out about the 2013 route, but I'm not sure yet if that's ready. I found one profile made on bikemap though, which could look like a good WC route. |
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