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TdF'13 Stage 13 - Tours to Saint-Amand-Montrond (July 12)
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:10
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Kami wrote:
I watched the moment Valverde flatted in a vod on Sporza.
Bassicly what happened:
- Peleton is slowing down at the food/drink zone. Only Quick-Step is in the lead. This goes on for like a minute.
- Valverde flats, still only Quick-Step taking turns.
- Valverde is chasing at 30 seconds with 3 team-mates, still only Quick-Step at the front.
- Some time later, Belkin hits the front and starts riding.
While Belkin were riding before and after the Valverde flat, at the moment Valverde flatted, only Quick-Step was taking turns, and they still were untill a few minutes after the Valverde flat. Then Belkin hit the front.
Definitely not the fairest thing to do. But it has happened before.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:12
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Miguel98 wrote:
You could put Froome without a team that he would still win. And once again, Contador is not on Froome level and I'll bet he on even finish on the podium in Paris. The podium will be Froome-Mollema-Quintana.
You clearly have no clue and are just trolling.
But congrats with what is probably the most doped rider in the tour in years, Froome.
Also Quintana you must be joking, if he gets a top 5 placement i will be surprised, particular considering his TT skil. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:15
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Jacdk wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
You could put Froome without a team that he would still win. And once again, Contador is not on Froome level and I'll bet he on even finish on the podium in Paris. The podium will be Froome-Mollema-Quintana.
You clearly have no clue and are just trolling.
But congrats with what is probably the most doped rider in the tour in years, Froome.
Also Quintana you must be joking, if he gets a top 5 placement i will be surprised, particular considering his TT skil.
The stage we're Movistar played tactics proved my idea. No team and he still followed every attack. The 2nd TT is a hilly time-trial, check Quintana TT in Catalunya, IIRC, he did good. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:20
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Jacdk wrote:
Also Quintana you must be joking, if he gets a top 5 placement i will be surprised, particular considering his TT skil.
He still has a good chance of finishing on the podium, especially since he's now Movistar's undisputed leader.
Miguel98 wrote:
The 2nd TT is a hilly time-trial, check Quintana TT in Catalunya, IIRC, he did good.
It's actually almost mountainous. One 6,4km climb and one 6,9km - both with around 6% average gradient. Barely any flat sections and quite technical, so should suit him well.
Also, I believe you're mixing up Catalunya and Pais Vasco.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:21
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Oops, couldn't quite remember if it was Pais Basco or Catalunya. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:31
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Also Quintana you must be joking, if he gets a top 5 placement i will be surprised, particular considering his TT skil.
He still has a good chance of finishing on the podium, especially since he's now Movistar's undisputed leader.
Miguel98 wrote:
The 2nd TT is a hilly time-trial, check Quintana TT in Catalunya, IIRC, he did good.
It's actually almost mountainous. One 6,4km climb and one 6,9km - both with around 6% average gradient. Barely any flat sections and quite technical, so should suit him well.
Also, I believe you're mixing up Catalunya and Pais Vasco.
And how do you see quintana finishing in the top 3 taking over 3min on Contador and Kreuziger, not to mention the rest? |
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:34
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kimiopn wrote:
Mwuhi wrote:
So you are saying the person doing the official Tour updates is a liar as well? Belkin had been on the front for at least half an hour already when Valverde punctured and were still mentioned a few minutes before the puncture.
Every Belkin rider and director being interviewed says that creating echelons was their tactic of the day, which is logical since they have a great squad for it. You think this is an excuse they came up with after the puncture?
Asking your question: No, it might be tactic but they were not at the front of the peloton when Valverde stopped. Not for 15 km before that.
Watch the video from 100 km to go and Valverde stopping and confirm that Belkin was only at the front until 96 km to go.
The site chooses some words to describe what is happening. On the Portuguese Eurosport the guys were asking why was Belkin at the front with 100 km to go and the answer was maybe because some GC guy was at Kittel's group. But there wasn't and Belkin then left the front and only came back after Valverde stopped.
Watch the video and see Rui Costa speaking to Omega Pharma guys, the only team at the front for several kms. It's a fact. It might be their strategy but they didn't gave a damn about the reason why some GC guy was behind.
I don't have a replay, but I believe you.
I think their decision was a mix of sticking with their tactic and also being a bit evil.
After being on the front for quite some time and helping create the first breaking of the peloton, they probably rested a bit with 96km to go, seeing that Quickstep had the same tactic and was doing a great job. Or maybe because of the upcoming feeding zone. Anyway, I do believe them if they say they were planning to come back to the front later. That is quite logical, considering the fact that it was their tactic to do that.
Now the next question is "did they come back to the front early because of the Valverde situation?". In an interview Mollema said they were already back at the front when they heard the news about Valverde. But this is something we obviously can't confirm. Considering the circumstances (hitting the front hard and trying to create echelons being their tactic) I'd give them the benefit of doubt. But I'm not sure.
So I guess the truth of their action is somewhere between "not very gallant" and "slightly evil". I hope that's a conclusion we can all agree on. It's time to move on. 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:39
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Jacdk wrote:
And how do you see quintana finishing in the top 3 taking over 3min on Contador and Kreuziger, not to mention the rest?
I see it as likely
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:43
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In terms of good cycling and entertainment, this might be the best TDF since 2003.
I feel so bad for Valverde. This happens to him almost every year. He has had atleast 4 crashes in TDF ruining his GC and having him abandon. Also in Vuelta this has happened a couple of times. If i remember correctly he would have won last years Vuelta if not crashed or something like that. Poor guy he is so symphatic and aggressive.
Loved Froome lost time. But felt bad for him, seing him being very sad at the podium. Whether we like him or not, you cannot take away from him he always seems sympathic and willing to speak with the press in a polite way.
Unreal AG2 FDJ BMC and Katusha riding like crazy guys to finish in what top 8-20. They should force Sky to do it, Froome would have atleast lost 2min if not for these weird agendas..
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| Wilier |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:45
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Apparently Belkin and OPQS shared the same hotel and already plotted there to work together to rip the peleton apart. |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:51
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Riis123 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Belkin are massive dicks with no concept of sportsmanship.
I'll be rooting against them the next week and a half
This. A bunch of dicks. It's almost like i hope someone from their team will pull a Simpson on Ventoux
You have a really big attitude problem. Okay that you don't like a rider or tem, but to wish them to death..... Hope you'll recover one day frm this psychiatric problem, I really feel sorry for you....
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:03
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dienblad wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Belkin are massive dicks with no concept of sportsmanship.
I'll be rooting against them the next week and a half
This. A bunch of dicks. It's almost like i hope someone from their team will pull a Simpson on Ventoux
You have a really big attitude problem. Okay that you don't like a rider or tem, but to wish them to death..... Hope you'll recover one day frm this psychiatric problem, I really feel sorry for you....
Indeed. Wishing someone to death (over simple, stupid sports, nonetheless) is sick... |
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:08
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Froome will crash out, Mollema will win, and this forum will be filled with even more Dutch fanboys. That's my bet.
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:13
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Not the nicest manouver by the Belkin boys today, thinking that might strike back to them laiter this tour, hopefully we see Valv going on some crazy long range attacks
I hope the alliance between Saxo-Movi weren't distracted by today.
And damn, Chris Froome has a weak team 
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:13
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I swear that if Mollema wins, I'll leave this forum.... |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:16
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Schleck96 wrote:
I swear that if Mollema wins, I'll leave this forum....
Why? I'd rather him than Froome.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:16
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Schleck96 wrote:
I swear that if Mollema wins, I'll leave this forum....
He won't win, in fact I doubt he'll even podium, but if he does by any miracle, it'd be so ridiculous it'd be awesome.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:17
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valverde321 wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
I swear that if Mollema wins, I'll leave this forum....
Why? I'd rather him than Froome.
After today's stage, I hope he loses 20+ minutes alone on Alpe d'Huez. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:21
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SweatyViking wrote:
Froome will crash out, Mollema will win, and this forum will be filled with even more Dutch fanboys. That's my bet.
Bertie will pick up the form in the alps |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 12-07-2013 19:44
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Miguel98 wrote:
I'm not talking about Porte, I'm talking about Quintana. And why say he is a bad TT'ist? Just because his colombian and the stereotype that they only know how to climb and they only know that and they can't ride on flat?
Eh? who cares where Quintana is from, he could be from the moon for all i care.
I look at how the rider does in the race.
And when you have over a min to the chasers and looses that on the descend and on a "kinda" flat stretch after Col de Pali its kinda obvious that he isent a excellent flat/downhill rider
But he is only 23 and who knows what he can do in the future. |
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