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Alberto Contador Positive
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:46
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Uhm ... they have a positive test. If that's not prove enough, I don't know what is. |
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:46
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Ennyzor wrote:
So.. CAS cannot prove that Contador actually did dope himself, and yet we still get a 2 year ban?
He tested positive and as far as I know it's enough for ban. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:47
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doddy13 wrote:
and the UCI won't comment any further... helpful.
BBC saying it's backdated and ends 6th August 2012.
edit: Sky News seem to be rolling with that now too (having previously being unsure)
I know, but what is that info based on? I want to see the actual source for myself  |
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| kida |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:47
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Contador should have said the meat came from Mexico! Also can anyone explain why the ban ends August 5th/6th, I thought the UCI informed him at the end of August? |
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:48
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And yet, you wont see that happening in any other sport than cycling. The positive test does not prove anything. Yes, its a postive test, but the amount found has absolutely no effect on a riders performance.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:51
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I think it must end like:
a)back-dated and Conta looses his titles
b) starting from now and the titles remains
It would be the double punishment to ban him from now and strip him from his titles.
However i am very sad, because i believe in his innocence. I may be stupid, but i think he had no reason to dope, he is the best without it. Guilty or not, i will miss him at the Tour a lot, it will be half a race without him.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:51
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Ennyzor wrote:
And yet, you wont see that happening in any other sport than cycling. The positive test does not prove anything. Yes, its a postive test, but the amount found has absolutely no effect on a riders performance.
It is a banned substance, therefore they are within their rights to sanction him.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:51
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Ennyzor wrote:
And yet, you wont see that happening in any other sport than cycling. The positive test does not prove anything. Yes, its a postive test, but the amount found has absolutely no effect on a riders performance.
If you use it in the off season then you can lose weight.
If you have blood removed in the off season for blood transfusion purposes, then Clenbuterol can still be there.
If you have a blood transfusion on a rest day with this blood then Clenbuterol can still be in your system.
So, Contador may have used Clenbuterol in the off season then re-infused the blood iwth trace amounts in it, which would explain the heightened number of plasticisers in his blood as well.
Edited by CountArach on 06-02-2012 11:53
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:51
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You wouldn't even be defending him, had he not been riding for Saxo Bank
Anyway, the rules are very, very clear: If there's too much of a banned substance in your body, you're banned. A positive test proves that you have used doping. What more do you need? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:52
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I think it must end like:
a)back-dated and Conta looses his titles
b) starting from now and the titles remains
It would be the double punishment to ban him from now and strip him from his titles.
However i am very sad, because i believe in his innocence. I may be stupid, but i think he had no reason to dope, he is the best without it. Guilty or not, i will miss him at the Tour a lot, it will be half a race without him.
How do you know? |
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:54
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CrueTrue wrote:
You wouldn't even be defending him, had he not been riding for Saxo Bank
Anyway, the rules are very, very clear: If there's too much of a banned substance in your body, you're banned. A positive test proves that you have used doping. What more do you need?
I dont care if he is riding for Saxo Bank or not. I dont really care if its Contador or some random rider. The fact that you can ban any rider in a case like this, just proves how retarded the system is. Hell, half the players at the U-17 World Cup in Mexico tested positive for the exact same substance, and yet you dont see any bans here. |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:56
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can contador appeal this Decision?or is that final. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:56
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There's a difference. Mexico is known for its tainted meat, thus the players could prove or at least make their stories probable. Spain, however, is a whole different case, and CAS has now ruled against Contador's meat story.
Edit: Besides, why compare with sports that are hiding up doping?
Edited by CrueTrue on 06-02-2012 11:58
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:57
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CrueTrue wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I think it must end like:
a)back-dated and Conta looses his titles
b) starting from now and the titles remains
It would be the double punishment to ban him from now and strip him from his titles.
However i am very sad, because i believe in his innocence. I may be stupid, but i think he had no reason to dope, he is the best without it. Guilty or not, i will miss him at the Tour a lot, it will be half a race without him.
How do you know?
Because he is the best stage-racer since 2008, or he was doping since back then? And i say honestly i am biased a lot, he brought me so many positive emotions that even all the rest of riders together cant beat it...
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| CountArach |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:58
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I think it must end like:
a)back-dated and Conta looses his titles
b) starting from now and the titles remains
It would be the double punishment to ban him from now and strip him from his titles.
However i am very sad, because i believe in his innocence. I may be stupid, but i think he had no reason to dope, he is the best without it. Guilty or not, i will miss him at the Tour a lot, it will be half a race without him.
How do you know?
Because he is the best stage-racer since 2008, or he was doping since back then? And i say honestly i am biased a lot, he brought me so many positive emotions that even all the rest of riders together cant beat it...
There's no way of knowing when he started doping, just that he was doing so now and hence any previous years are now tainted, like proverbial meat.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 11:58
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Finally, the CAS verdict:
https://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/docum....02.06.pdf |
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| kida |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:01
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Ennyzor wrote:
I dont care if he is riding for Saxo Bank or not. I dont really care if its Contador or some random rider. The fact that you can ban any rider in a case like this, just proves how retarded the system is. Hell, half the players at the U-17 World Cup in Mexico tested positive for the exact same substance, and yet you dont see any bans here.
That's because football is big business, cycling isn't. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:02
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So 2 years ban starting from January 2011 and all the titles from 2011 removed+2010 TdF title removed if understand correctly?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:04
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Ban starts on 25th of January 2011 and runs two years, so he's banned until 25th of January 2013.
Tour and all 2011 results annulled. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:06
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CrueTrue wrote:
Ban starts on 25th of January 2011 and runs two years, so he's banned until 25th of January 2013.
Tour and all 2011 results annulled.
Meh, I hate backdated bans. But I'll take that it's not too bad.
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