Why would it be a bad move? The guy need to understand he's not a top guy anymore, that he probably will never be on the level he used to be (just as Andy) and to just move on. He'd have pretty decent support there and all the freedom. Also, the team isn't completely African anymore (with Ciolek being there and maybe even Bos coming), so that's another good reason to go there. Unless he want to work as a domestique for Kelderman.
Edited by admirschleck on 07-08-2014 16:43
I just fear that he might end up repeating the same mistake Hoogerland made, that he just doesn't feel at the right place and since he would be leader there that the stress-related heart problems would return.
I also don't think he really minds workingas a domestique for Kelderman.
Dusen wrote:
Pavel Brutt signed a 2 year contract with Tinkoff.
I don't know to much about this rider, for what i can put together he is an all around domestique.
I don't like where Tinkoff-Saxo is going, really don't.
Brutt? come on
There is no future (32 years), and not really big things to expect of this guy. What a sad signing.
Really don't hope they sign more russian guys. It might be a prejudice, but I have really no faith in russian riders, and especially not those who are on a good level, not that Brutt is on this level, just saying; Galimzyanov, Menchov, Kolobnev etc.
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Dusen wrote:
Pavel Brutt signed a 2 year contract with Tinkoff.
I don't know to much about this rider, for what i can put together he is an all around domestique.
I don't like where Tinkoff-Saxo is going, really don't.
Brutt? come on
There is no future (32 years), and not really big things to expect of this guy. What a sad signing.
Really don't hope they sign more russian guys. It might be a prejudice, but I have really no faith in russian riders, and especially not those who are on a good level, not that Brutt is on this level, just saying; Galimzyanov, Menchov, Kolobnev etc.
Agreed.
Also, I don't think Tinkoff will sign any big names like Sagan this season. All of that Twitter-talk are getting nowhere. After a massive amount of "apparent" transfer news, the signing of Pavel Brutt is what came out of it. See, you get the idea...
Dusen wrote:
Pavel Brutt signed a 2 year contract with Tinkoff.
I don't know to much about this rider, for what i can put together he is an all around domestique.
I don't like where Tinkoff-Saxo is going, really don't.
Brutt? come on
There is no future (32 years), and not really big things to expect of this guy. What a sad signing.
Really don't hope they sign more russian guys. It might be a prejudice, but I have really no faith in russian riders, and especially not those who are on a good level, not that Brutt is on this level, just saying; Galimzyanov, Menchov, Kolobnev etc.
Could it be that you are kind of prejudiced? It's not like everything from Russia is bad. Those examples are quite supporting for you, but on the other hand you have pretty nice talents at RusVelo f.e. and furthermore lots of Russians are working as domestiques in several teams. It's just that they really lack top riders at the moment. But maybe there will be some better days again.
About Brutt: What's bad about signing him? Tinkoff is bringing a bit more Russian character to the team, which I can totally understand. Brutt won't really be seen by anybody perhaps, but as a domestique is still ok. What annoys me, is that Tinkoff-Saxo is always talking like they would sign Sagan, Cavendish and Froome at once by their big announcements, but in the end we haven't seen any big signing so far.
EDIT: Sorry, just saw now that you actually said it could be a prejudice Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 07-08-2014 18:47
admirschleck wrote: I think that would be a right move for both sides and I would really like that to happen. Gesink clearly isn't a leader anymore in Belkin and he definitely needs that leadership, while on another side MTN lacks good climber (Meintjes and Pardilla, but they're still not top class).
I seriously doubt that, Gesink needs a stressless environment (for now) and being leader at MTN is quite te opposite
Would be a bad move indeed, Gesink is at his place in a Dutch team imo.
Whilst the stressless environment is surely important for Gesink right now due to his heart issues, I think that a change in general would benefit him quite much. Seems to me like Belkin is too nice for him. Many athletes and people in general need a certain amount of pressure to perform; in life, in training and of course in a race; those should be factors in a race that play a role in outperforming yourself when push comes to shove. Maybe Belkin riders in general are just missing this certain edge because there's certainly some quality yet the team does not demand "enough" and not strong enough from them.
Then again, don't have much idea how Belkin teammanagament operates and stuff, so that's just some thought spinning.
Edited by Shonak on 07-08-2014 19:12
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Dusen wrote:
Pavel Brutt signed a 2 year contract with Tinkoff.
I don't know to much about this rider, for what i can put together he is an all around domestique.
I don't like where Tinkoff-Saxo is going, really don't.
Brutt? come on
There is no future (32 years), and not really big things to expect of this guy. What a sad signing.
Really don't hope they sign more russian guys. It might be a prejudice, but I have really no faith in russian riders, and especially not those who are on a good level, not that Brutt is on this level, just saying; Galimzyanov, Menchov, Kolobnev etc.
Could it be that you are kind of prejudiced? It's not like everything from Russia is bad. Those examples are quite supporting for you, but on the other hand you have pretty nice talents at RusVelo f.e. and furthermore lots of Russians are working as domestiques in several teams. It's just that they really lack top riders at the moment. But maybe there will be some better days again.
About Brutt: What's bad about signing him? Tinkoff is bringing a bit more Russian character to the team, which I can totally understand. Brutt won't really be seen by anybody perhaps, but as a domestique is still ok. What annoys me, is that Tinkoff-Saxo is always talking like they would sign Sagan, Cavendish and Froome at once by their big announcements, but in the end we haven't seen any big signing so far. That's totally what I'm talking about.
EDIT: Sorry, just saw now that you actually said it could be a prejudice
Dusen wrote:
Pavel Brutt signed a 2 year contract with Tinkoff.
I don't know to much about this rider, for what i can put together he is an all around domestique.
I don't like where Tinkoff-Saxo is going, really don't.
Brutt? come on
There is no future (32 years), and not really big things to expect of this guy. What a sad signing.
Really don't hope they sign more russian guys. It might be a prejudice, but I have really no faith in russian riders, and especially not those who are on a good level, not that Brutt is on this level, just saying; Galimzyanov, Menchov, Kolobnev etc.
Agreed. Also, I don't think Tinkoff will sign any big names like Sagan this season. All of that Twitter-talk are getting nowhere. After a massive amount of "apparent" transfer news, the signing of Pavel Brutt is what came out of it. See, you get the idea...
You're in for a surprise then
Brutt signed - one more Russian to come. I'm guessing Ignatiev, but take your pick from any of the Russians from Tinkov's first team.
Robert Kiserlovksi is rumoured to join Tinkoff-Saxo The rumours are going crazy... Also seen that Andy Schleck should join them...
I am disappointed in Tinkoff-Saxo as they build so much hype but in the end they end up signing Brutt?! Tinkoff calls it the most ambitious cycling team... I can't see it
They've announced dates where they will publish transfer or team related news for the next season. My guess would be that the announcements they make gradually will be bigger, so hopefully Sagan will be the last announcement Edited by anderspcm on 07-08-2014 20:56
Dusen wrote:
Pavel Brutt signed a 2 year contract with Tinkoff.
I don't know to much about this rider, for what i can put together he is an all around domestique.
I don't like where Tinkoff-Saxo is going, really don't.
Brutt? come on
There is no future (32 years), and not really big things to expect of this guy. What a sad signing.
Really don't hope they sign more russian guys. It might be a prejudice, but I have really no faith in russian riders, and especially not those who are on a good level, not that Brutt is on this level, just saying; Galimzyanov, Menchov, Kolobnev etc.
Could it be that you are kind of prejudiced? It's not like everything from Russia is bad. Those examples are quite supporting for you, but on the other hand you have pretty nice talents at RusVelo f.e. and furthermore lots of Russians are working as domestiques in several teams. It's just that they really lack top riders at the moment. But maybe there will be some better days again.
About Brutt: What's bad about signing him? Tinkoff is bringing a bit more Russian character to the team, which I can totally understand. Brutt won't really be seen by anybody perhaps, but as a domestique is still ok.
What annoys me, is that Tinkoff-Saxo is always talking like they would sign Sagan, Cavendish and Froome at once by their big announcements, but in the end we haven't seen any big signing so far. That's totally what I'm talking about.
Yup, perfectly Zabel'd.
Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 07-08-2014 22:17
admirschleck wrote: I think that would be a right move for both sides and I would really like that to happen. Gesink clearly isn't a leader anymore in Belkin and he definitely needs that leadership, while on another side MTN lacks good climber (Meintjes and Pardilla, but they're still not top class).
I seriously doubt that, Gesink needs a stressless environment (for now) and being leader at MTN is quite te opposite
Would be a bad move indeed, Gesink is at his place in a Dutch team imo.
Whilst the stressless environment is surely important for Gesink right now due to his heart issues, I think that a change in general would benefit him quite much. Seems to me like Belkin is too nice for him. Many athletes and people in general need a certain amount of pressure to perform; in life, in training and of course in a race; those should be factors in a race that play a role in outperforming yourself when push comes to shove. Maybe Belkin riders in general are just missing this certain edge because there's certainly some quality yet the team does not demand "enough" and not strong enough from them.
Then again, don't have much idea how Belkin teammanagament operates and stuff, so that's just some thought spinning.
It's crossed my mind aswell. But yeah, we can't say anything about these things because we don't know how they work exactly within the team. You also can't say Belkin isn't succesful this year. They bagged some nice wins.
I think Sagan is stalling Tinkoff and for that there have been no big announcements yet, i got a feeling Sagan is in talks and have an agreement with Alonso while they awaits the world tour license, so everything put on hold concerning transfers for Tinkoff and Sagan for that matter.
Edited by Naskela on 07-08-2014 22:44
admirschleck wrote: I think that would be a right move for both sides and I would really like that to happen. Gesink clearly isn't a leader anymore in Belkin and he definitely needs that leadership, while on another side MTN lacks good climber (Meintjes and Pardilla, but they're still not top class).
I seriously doubt that, Gesink needs a stressless environment (for now) and being leader at MTN is quite te opposite
admirschleck wrote: I think that would be a right move for both sides and I would really like that to happen. Gesink clearly isn't a leader anymore in Belkin and he definitely needs that leadership, while on another side MTN lacks good climber (Meintjes and Pardilla, but they're still not top class).
I seriously doubt that, Gesink needs a stressless environment (for now) and being leader at MTN is quite te opposite
How so? There is literally zero expectation.
can you sign somebody designed to be a leader without expectations? anyway, I'm not sure how it the management-leader thing works with expectations at MTN or Belkin so I can only guess.
admirschleck wrote: I think that would be a right move for both sides and I would really like that to happen. Gesink clearly isn't a leader anymore in Belkin and he definitely needs that leadership, while on another side MTN lacks good climber (Meintjes and Pardilla, but they're still not top class).
I seriously doubt that, Gesink needs a stressless environment (for now) and being leader at MTN is quite te opposite
Would be a bad move indeed, Gesink is at his place in a Dutch team imo.
Whilst the stressless environment is surely important for Gesink right now due to his heart issues, I think that a change in general would benefit him quite much. Seems to me like Belkin is too nice for him. Many athletes and people in general need a certain amount of pressure to perform; in life, in training and of course in a race; those should be factors in a race that play a role in outperforming yourself when push comes to shove. Maybe Belkin riders in general are just missing this certain edge because there's certainly some quality yet the team does not demand "enough" and not strong enough from them.
Then again, don't have much idea how Belkin teammanagament operates and stuff, so that's just some thought spinning.
Well, if the Belkin being too nice thing would be true, then it would make no sense for Gesink to leave Belkin. Unlike other people or athletes, Gesink does not respond well to pressure. And it's not just about this moment, he has a history of failing to deliver under pressure.
Personally, I don't want him to leave. What would my favorite team be without my favorite rider? (). I guess there are going to be a lot of changes at Belkin though, with Mollema and Boom leaving the team and some other riders on their way out too.
Edited by alexkr00 on 08-08-2014 04:31
come on 
The rumours are going crazy... Also seen that Andy Schleck should join them...
come on 
). I guess there are going to be a lot of changes at Belkin though, with Mollema and Boom leaving the team and some other riders on their way out too.
