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Posted on 24-11-2024 09:07
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-06-2009 17:43
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chuckie wrote:
Because the list is so big loads of riders will surely go under the radar as far as the media is concerned 
I fully expect Nicholas Roche to be on the list.
Huh? Aren't we talking about the list of 5 or so riders that will be charged with doping? Not the one of 50 riders that will be targeted by testing? |
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Posted on 16-06-2009 06:47
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I think it's expectable it'll be a long and slow process (UCI's way) for those five riders who'll be charged
Valverde is still to be banned yet damn it....
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Posted on 16-06-2009 22:46
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The fun begins
Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta states that Denis Mencov, Ivan Basso, Franco Pellizotti and (already caught) Antonio Colom are on the list of riders with suspected blood values |
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Posted on 16-06-2009 22:51
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well I personaly doubt that Basso would risck anything right after his comeback.
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Posted on 16-06-2009 22:54
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Sometime, when you really want to win...
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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Posted on 16-06-2009 22:59
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alexkr00 wrote:
well I personaly doubt that Basso would risck anything right after his comeback. It's a russian newspaper, they probably don't have anything right, but it's the first paper which comes with names |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 16-06-2009 23:04
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russian press..don't read it..and do not believe it. |
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| ursul |
Posted on 16-06-2009 23:12
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Of course!
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-06-2009 08:04
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I didn't really expect a Russian paper to be the first to name riders.
Oh well, we'll see soon. Shouldn't the names have been published yesterday? |
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| Arnout |
Posted on 17-06-2009 08:30
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Ruben wrote:
According to dutch commentator Maarten Ducrot, there is no Evans or Contador on the list, he said the list is leaked to him, but refuses to give any info other than that
Where did he say this? Can I watch/listen that again?
Oh and by the way, if you have suspicious blood values it doesn't mean you're doped. If you're ill, your blood values will by suspicious as well. And knowing that cyclists are ill many times in a year, I guess there's a big chance not many riders will be suspended at all, which will be a shame for you all.
I cannot believe the way you are talking about you wanting to see many riders being caught on doping. Why is this? I guess that is harming cycling more than actual doping usage does. |
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Posted on 17-06-2009 08:33
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What people are saying is basically that they want to see the dopers caught. |
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Posted on 17-06-2009 08:38
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Yeah but I guess people think that if you are on the suspicious list it means you used doping without doubt. Which is far from the truth.
And besides, the talking about "I want so see that and that rider caught and I think he will be caught" without any proof of doping is bullshit anyway. |
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Posted on 17-06-2009 08:54
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Arnout wrote:
Ruben wrote:
According to dutch commentator Maarten Ducrot, there is no Evans or Contador on the list, he said the list is leaked to him, but refuses to give any info other than that
Where did he say this? Can I watch/listen that again?
Oh and by the way, if you have suspicious blood values it doesn't mean you're doped. If you're ill, your blood values will by suspicious as well. And knowing that cyclists are ill many times in a year, I guess there's a big chance not many riders will be suspended at all, which will be a shame for you all.
I cannot believe the way you are talking about you wanting to see many riders being caught on doping. Why is this? I guess that is harming cycling more than actual doping usage does.
I've been having to say this a lot lately:
Ruben wasn't talking about the list of 50 riders to be targeted for testing at the Tour. Being in that list is not an indicator of being suspicious.
Ruben is talking about the list of half a dozen riders whose constant blood value variations are impossible without doping and as such will be trialed for doping.
That smaller list was supposed to be announced as soon as they could contact all the riders on it to inform them, starting the past monday morning. |
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Posted on 17-06-2009 09:08
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To make things clear I didn't react on Ruben in the latter part of my post, but on all the people who were cheering when the news came that there was a big list with suspicions. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 17-06-2009 10:23
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I'd be very surprised if Basso was one of the names.
Basso has most of this info online already. It is updated fairly regularly. 
https://www.mapeisport.it/IvanBasso/de...lt.asp?LNG=EN |
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-06-2009 11:51
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Arnout wrote:
Ruben wrote:
According to dutch commentator Maarten Ducrot, there is no Evans or Contador on the list, he said the list is leaked to him, but refuses to give any info other than that
Where did he say this? Can I watch/listen that again?
Oh and by the way, if you have suspicious blood values it doesn't mean you're doped. If you're ill, your blood values will by suspicious as well. And knowing that cyclists are ill many times in a year, I guess there's a big chance not many riders will be suspended at all, which will be a shame for you all.
I cannot believe the way you are talking about you wanting to see many riders being caught on doping. Why is this? I guess that is harming cycling more than actual doping usage does. He said it on langs de lijn on sunday... i dunno if it's online. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-06-2009 11:57
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check this btw:
https://www.mapeis...062009.pdf
it says 'cut-off score suspicious if 2.33 or >2.33. Just before the giro his hematocrite, hemaglobine etc all go up massively, the cut-off score gives... almost 3.00 
Oh well. |
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Posted on 17-06-2009 12:04
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Did he go altitude training before the giro (i dont think he did) as if not it looks suspicious. Very big change in hemoglobin  looks very interesting to say the least |
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| Alesle |
Posted on 17-06-2009 12:31
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Ad wrote:
Did he go altitude training before the giro (i dont think he did) as if not it looks suspicious. Very big change in hemoglobin looks very interesting to say the least
If you read the first paragraph you'll see that it says the test was taken in altitude, after 12 days of altitude training.
Edit; I see his values were quite high right after a training session as well, where he could've been slightly dehydrated.
Overall I would say his data looks fairly good.
Edited by Alesle on 17-06-2009 12:42
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 17-06-2009 12:33
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Ad wrote:
Did he go altitude training before the giro (i dont think he did) as if not it looks suspicious. Very big change in hemoglobin looks very interesting to say the least
He was in Tenerife mid-April with Liquigas training. Bit of altitude there.
Then rode Trentino and LBL. |
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