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Quite a few positives are likely
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Posted on 30-10-2009 12:15
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Cobbs96 wrote:
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I will bet you however much you want that Bruseghin tests positive he might but that doesnt mean that ricco and sella will go back to dopine di luca probably and very likely bruseghin
What I said was that I'm quite sure Sella and Riccò are two of the seven positives. That will be their respective second doping cases, and if the WADA decides to try those cases separately to the previous ones, that's a lifetime ban for each of them.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 13:12
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Ah, the Giro Contador spent time preparing for at the beach then won, against a very good rider on very good drugs.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 13:59
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So no positives, but "suspicions". It's me or that always ends in nothing? Well, maybe Sella and Riccò will be caught again. |
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Posted on 30-10-2009 14:16
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kumazan wrote:
So no positives, but "suspicions". It's me or that always ends in nothing? Well, maybe Sella and Riccò will be caught again. they had to be stupid to take dopine in the first place but you would have to be an idiot to take it again |
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Posted on 30-10-2009 14:19
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Cobbs96 wrote:
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So no positives, but "suspicions". It's me or that always ends in nothing? Well, maybe Sella and Riccò will be caught again. they had to be stupid to take dopine in the first place but you would have to be an idiot to take it again
Thats like the same theory that a thief is stupid to steal once, and get caught, and then once you've released him you expect him not to steal again. The problem being that the thief knows he can steal far more and not get caught, than the risk of being caught can prevent him from doing it. And even if he does get caught, he just has to pay a fine, which he has to money to do so from his sold stolen goods, and even if he goes bust, he can just steal some more when released again. The only way to prevent him, is to lock him away for life. And even then, the other thieves will still keep stealing, because he was just unlucky.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 14:44
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rjc_43 wrote:
Cobbs96 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
So no positives, but "suspicions". It's me or that always ends in nothing? Well, maybe Sella and Riccò will be caught again. they had to be stupid to take dopine in the first place but you would have to be an idiot to take it again
Thats like the same theory that a thief is stupid to steal once, and get caught, and then once you've released him you expect him not to steal again. The problem being that the thief knows he can steal far more and not get caught, than the risk of being caught can prevent him from doing it. And even if he does get caught, he just has to pay a fine, which he has to money to do so from his sold stolen goods, and even if he goes bust, he can just steal some more when released again. The only way to prevent him, is to lock him away for life. And even then, the other thieves will still keep stealing, because he was just unlucky. good point but do you think someone with talent which both sella and ricco have would ruin it by going taking more dopine. Ricco was just speeding up the rate of his development if he is patient he can be just as good with dopine as without and i dont think he will be stupid enough to go down that road again. He is young and if he is stupid enough i think he will go quite some time before he does it again |
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Posted on 30-10-2009 14:52
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Cobbs96 wrote:
good point but do you think someone with talent which both sella and ricco have would ruin it by going taking more dopine. Ricco was just speeding up the rate of his development if he is patient he can be just as good with dopine as without and i dont think he will be stupid enough to go down that road again. He is young and if he is stupid enough i think he will go quite some time before he does it again
Keep in mind that the samples being tested are older than their positives. So it's not to dope again, it's that they doped before. |
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Posted on 30-10-2009 15:12
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Also keep in mind, Jerome Pineau has said that when a junoir Ricco would brag about all the doping he was on to the other riders.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 18:45
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Cobbs96 wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Cobbs96 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
So no positives, but "suspicions". It's me or that always ends in nothing? Well, maybe Sella and Riccò will be caught again. they had to be stupid to take dopine in the first place but you would have to be an idiot to take it again
Thats like the same theory that a thief is stupid to steal once, and get caught, and then once you've released him you expect him not to steal again. The problem being that the thief knows he can steal far more and not get caught, than the risk of being caught can prevent him from doing it. And even if he does get caught, he just has to pay a fine, which he has to money to do so from his sold stolen goods, and even if he goes bust, he can just steal some more when released again. The only way to prevent him, is to lock him away for life. And even then, the other thieves will still keep stealing, because he was just unlucky.
good point but do you think someone with talent which both sella and ricco have would ruin it by going taking more dopine. Ricco was just speeding up the rate of his development if he is patient he can be just as good with dopine as without and i dont think he will be stupid enough to go down that road again. He is young and if he is stupid enough i think he will go quite some time before he does it again
1) The word is dope, or doping. Dopine is not a word.
2) Ricco, and Sella, as schleck93 suggests at, will have doped their entire lives. As far as I can tell from picking up things from this website amongst others, the Italian Youth are rather good at successful doping. I do not believe Ricco is any more talented than you or I, just that he had a rather good supply of EPO, amongst other drugs.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 18:51
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1) I agree
2) I mostly agree but still think he is far more talented than me or probably you.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 19:01
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
1) I agree
2) I mostly agree but still think he is far more talented than me or probably you.
Ok, I'll give way on the point 2. Yes, his 15% genetic boost over my, say 5%, genetic boost, will make him the pro who wins, over me being the pro who's the domestique. But I'm just trying to say he isn't any more talented then many many many young riders. The difference is what he takes.
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in the end Pozzovivo will be the winner 
but seriously i agree that Sella and Ricco is for 100%,but about A.C. man, ghrrr... something is saying to me that he wont get caught.
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Posted on 30-10-2009 23:02
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I_Mayo wrote:
in the end Pozzovivo will be the winner
but seriously i agree that Sella and Ricco is for 100%,but about A.C. man, ghrrr... something is saying to me that he wont get caught.
Why do you mention Pozzovivo, wouldn't it be better to mention a clean rider? (Looking at the 08 giro result is kind of depressing, I have to go way outside the top 20 before I find a rider I believe could be clean  ). Or did you mean he'd be the best rider not to be caught?
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Posted on 31-10-2009 09:43
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Alesle wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
in the end Pozzovivo will be the winner
but seriously i agree that Sella and Ricco is for 100%,but about A.C. man, ghrrr... something is saying to me that he wont get caught.
Why do you mention Pozzovivo, wouldn't it be better to mention a clean rider? (Looking at the 08 giro result is kind of depressing, I have to go way outside the top 20 before I find a rider I believe could be clean ). Or did you mean he'd be the best rider not to be caught?
man it was a joke, but of course i agree with you Navigare doesnt look clean.
they are good climbers team, but sometimes they are suprising me too much
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