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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 24-03-2009 21:35
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Many coaches don't charge a penny. Finding a local club coach is cheap, and they often know enough to get you started off. I now find myself in the predicament of knowing more than all the coaches out there (apart from the level 3 ones), so am stuck without one. And goodness knows I need someone to give me a kick up the backside half the time. I just don't listen to those I perceive to have less information than me.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 24-03-2009 21:38
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i think im in one of the best areas on britain for breeding cyclists the north west i live just by liverpool in a town called widnes so i think i will start looking around. thanks for the advice mate. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-03-2009 21:39
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yeah how are the vikings doing this year?
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 24-03-2009 21:47
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i think were in 3rd we got beat by halifax last week. won 1 of our 2 opening games this season. |
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 25-03-2009 01:16
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I wish I could live in Europe and train. Anyone wanna house me  |
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| Sirium |
Posted on 25-03-2009 18:00
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Hahaha, Ste117 8 to 10 miles a day... that is doing you good, but it ain't gonna make you that good... You get better at cycling when you recover... 8 to 10 miles does not... I repeat does not get you tired... hence hardly any recovery is needed... if you want to get better and be competitive you need to be doing longer mileage... but not every day 
I have just turned 16... I train 7 hours a week which is on the limit of what someone in my state (School, age and physical capacity) should be doing. Two turbo sessions covering 50 mins, 10 minute warm up, then 4 mins hard (320 watts up +3 gradient) 1 minute easy (180 watts down -4 gradient) until 45 mins then 5 mins flat out on -2 gradient - I'd recommend this to anyone because it has improved me massively... Of course when the weather improves, light etc you go and do intervals outside.
Then I race on either Saturday or Sunday... depending on this I either do 2 hours training on Saturday or 3 on Sunday ... I have been doing this for hmmm 2 and a half months and I am very competitive in 3/4 cat races Proving it works... (Baring in mind I only started riding a bike last August. Obviously once I leave school and progress through the categories I will go upto 9/10 hours a week followed by 11/12.
So Ste117 because you are slightly older than me... if you ever want to be competitive you need to be doing around 8/8 and a half hours a week, with intervals for your speed work, recovery and your ability to maintain an attack when racing. If you concentrate and do not fart around by not bothering to train occasionally you will do well The difference between a good rider and a bad rider is talent, but also the training you do, and the effort you put in
I'm just trying to put the point across how you should train efficiently, not killing yourself and then suffering thereafter... completely useless. Coaches... why? You can train better yourself... don't eat unhealthily, get your arse out of bed and do training and intervals, make some friends to have rides with and you will be fine? You can guide yourself just as well, if not better... a coach would completely pee me off :S
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 25-03-2009 18:23
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thanks for the advice i will give it a try its hard for me to do that amount a day with college and the weather outside like high winds, what type of foods do you eat to get enough energy and to burn off. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 25-03-2009 19:16
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high wings shouldn't stop you. riding in the wind is what makes you strong. the only thing that stops me from going out on the road is ice and monsoon type rain. obviously if it's hurricane strength wind then its dangerous and you should stay in. if not then get out or you'll turn into a fair weather cyclist. it's hard but thats how you improve.
also this is more a "your cycling" topic then a racing one. could you move it to the "your cycling" thread to stop this one getting too clogged up.
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| Sirium |
Posted on 25-03-2009 19:16
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I usually have pasta the night before racing, but for training I have whatever just not something really unhelathy the night before. For my turbo sessions I simply eat some wholegrain cereal which sits in the stomach, giving you enough energy to last the 50 minute session. I then take a bottle of water onto the tubo with me. For a two hour training session I take a big bottle of Orange energy drink (Decathlon  , 3 scoops) mixed with water, a citrus gel and two energy bars which have sugar paper either side of a fruity centre full of goodness to help you stay fresh. (All from Decathlon )
For a three hour training ride I take two big bottles of Orange energy drink, two citrus gels and two energy bars. For a 35 mile or under race I take a gel in on the start line, drink/eat it (Drink or eat a gel hmmm???) and then one big bottle of Orange energy drink to have with me whilst racing. For an over 35 mile race, I take two big bottles of Orange energy drink, couple of gels and maybe an energy bar... take another spare bottle for feeding zones just in case, and some spare gels in case you are having a bad day. An elastic band would easily hold a gel against a bottle for feeding, easiest way in my opinion.
When you finish, have a protein drink (Protein milkshakes are very tasty and very good for recovery) either with milk or water, also take some food (bananas, sandwhiches etc) for afterwards also. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 25-03-2009 19:30
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Protein drink + water = 
Protein drink + milk =
BTW, I know (of) several juniors, who, at the age of 16 were training 20 hours a week. If you want to hack it as a pro, you need to be getting to top training levels by 20, and winning a lot by 22-24.
Just because a coach doesn't work for you, doesn't meant they aren't useful for someone else. It seemed to me that Ste117 wasn't too sure on what he was meant to be doing, and thats why it would be sensible to go on a coach's advice, not some random kid online (and yes, that includes my own "advice" .
The only thing I can say with conviction, is that if you are serious about turning pro, you'll make it with, or without, help.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 25-03-2009 19:45
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rjc im moving this topic to your cycling |
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| tylew |
Posted on 25-03-2009 22:41
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rjc_43 wrote:
Protein drink + water =
Protein drink + milk =
I found myself a really good taste mixing a few ingredients:
Protein + milk + maria cookies + banana + vanilla powder =  |
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| blueye |
Posted on 26-03-2009 06:57
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chrica04 wrote:
I wish I could live in Europe and train. Anyone wanna house me
you surely don't in eastern europe.
in my country everything indicates you shouldn't go for cycling:
1. first i'll need some money
2. very bad roads
3. probably i'll be dead in a week or two because of the drivers...alexkr can confirm that. adding that i'm getting older |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 26-03-2009 07:20
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yeah in Romania is very hard, cause the sport isn't very popular. But not all the Eastern Europe, for example Ukraine has a lot of good riders
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| tomzk111 |
Posted on 28-03-2009 14:07
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Woo! Won again today. Got in a break of 4 riders and won the sprint with ease B) lol
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 28-03-2009 15:46
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congrats, post the results and i'll add your points.
think we might have a runaway winner this year |
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| chuckie |
Posted on 28-03-2009 16:23
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My fist proper race is tomorrow,hence I'll get little sleep tonight
What country do you guys think is the best to train/race in based on experience?
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-03-2009 16:26
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Ringo, you need to redo that points system of yours. Winning a crit (hour racing average) is not even close to winning a 2,3 or 4 hour road race. And seeing as I've lost weight this season, I doubt I'll be winning any crits any time soon... so, give me more points for road races!
Good luck tomorrow chuckie - remember, top 15. Always sit in the top 15, and don't do a turn on the front, unless you're off the front
I think Italy or France would be the best place to train/race. The level of racing is much higher there, and the natives actually don't want to kill every cyclist they see (unlike some countries - ie Australia).
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 28-03-2009 21:21
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sorry rjc. but if i start giving different scores for different types of race then i'd have to give different scores for the different cats. it would be too hard to score fairly. for example, if you win a 3/4 race, then someone who is racing a 2/3/4 race and wins could claim they deserve more points. then someone like Levi could win one of his races and claim it is worth even more points. it gets too complicated.
then what if someone wins a track event? is that worth more or less then a road race?
a win is a win whatever discipline your riding in. you still have to be the strongest rider there whether its a crit or a road race.
therefore the current scoring system will stay in place unless someone can come up with another system thats fair and simple and the majority agree upon. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 28-03-2009 21:38
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rjc_43 wrote:
I think Italy or France would be the best place to train/race. The level of racing is much higher there, and the natives actually don't want to kill every cyclist they see (unlike some countries - ie Australia).
England included - did you hear about that guy who deliberately ran over a 5 year old boy and his mother - he accelerated past them, stopped and reversed over them.
but id agree italy
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