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| rodda |
Posted on 07-10-2008 09:03
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i'm g lad they are starting to dish out the punishments finally!
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Posted on 07-10-2008 09:09
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From a usually very well-informed source on a Danish forum, 7 riders tested positive for CERA in the retesting:
Sastre
Bernhard Kohl
F. Schleck
Arvesen
Cancellara
Schumacher (confirmed)
Piepoli (confirmed)
According to the source, those are 100 % sure. Other than those, two riders are - unofficially - also tested positive:
Valjavec
Efimkim
He also says that 28 riders had suspicious values during this year's TdF.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 09:16
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Same riders as formerly + Arvesen - Cobo (-2 AG2R) - 2 Columbia, and no Andy Schleck there, nor O'Grady...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 09:20
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Nor Voigt. I was wondering about Arvesen the whole way.
What surprises me is no A. Schleck. But then again, the CERA test is very fallible. In Pierre Bourdry's words: "You need a truckload of CERA to meet the requirements for it to be declared positive"
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If this is confirmed, here's the new tour top10
1. Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto
2. Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
3. Christian Vande Velde (USA) Team Garmin-Chipotle powered by H30
4. Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
5. Kim Kirchen (Lux) Team Columbia
6. Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
7. Andy Schleck (Lux) Team CSC - Saxo Bank
8. Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas
9. Sandy Casar (Fra) Française des Jeux
10.Amaël Moinard (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone
Kirchen
Valverde
Dessel
Cobo
Elmiger
Sánchez
Millar
...are new stage winners, with Samuel Sánchez having his name engraved on hairpin 17 of L'Alpe
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 09:50
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I don't trust too many riders of that new top 10 either.
I'm damn sad Voigt is not on the list any more. I wish he got caught, just to see how he would lecture his fellows cyclists dopeheads again.  |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 07-10-2008 09:58
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Still, it would be step forward. I guess at this years Tour we were down around 6 watt/kg for the podium. Still a bit high, but we're closing in on the powers of Lemond, Fignon and Hinault. Not that those guys were clean, but it was more about recovery medicine back then. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-10-2008 10:38
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Which is still ridicolously low, because in condition tests, Rujano can put out 8,1 w/kg and Gesink 7,3 w/kg for instance (in an effort of about 40 minutes) |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 07-10-2008 10:49
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If they could do that in race, they would win almost every TT they'd participate in!
I guess those condition tests are made in labs? If that's the case, there's no air resistance and no pressure from gravity?
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Posted on 07-10-2008 10:59
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Yeah, that's the major difference. Still, those tests say more about climbing abilities most of the time.
Especially Gesink is something else, he has a VO2 Max higher then Armstrong and also putts out more w/kg. If he keeps improving at the rate he does now. There is no way Contador can hold him off forever.
It also shows in the results:
2008 Rabobank PRT 16 1099 All Points
2007 Rabobank PRT 59 658 All Points
2006 Rabobank CT CONT 180 331 All Points
2005 Team Löwik Meubelen - Van Losser Installatiegroep CONT 1626 14 All Points
He almost does 2 as much better than the previous year...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 11:00
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Ruben wrote:
Which is still ridicolously low, because in condition tests, Rujano can put out 8,1 w/kg and Gesink 7,3 w/kg for instance (in an effort of about 40 minutes) Kudos to you, you just discovered what is called endurance. 
Actually endurance is how much your performance decreases after a certain time on the bike. They can't put out that after six hours of bike racing in the mountains, and it's only in such conditions that it matters most of times.
Funny thing is that when EPO was introduced, riders were even more powerful after some hours of racing than at the start of stages. Pantani climbed Alpe d'Huez faster in 1995 than in 1997 (I can't remind 1995 but 1997 was all flat till the bottom of the climb). |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 11:03
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You are completely right about that Aquarius, But how is it that in those same tests, Armstrong only put out 6,3 w/kg... And he can do higher or same w/kg in races? It doesn't add up, I don't trust Armstrong |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 11:06
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Aquarius wrote:I can't remind 1995 but 1997 was all flat till the bottom of the climb).
1995 - Madeleine -> Croix-de-Fer -> Alpe d'Huez |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 12:22
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ceky wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Let it not be Kohl, his Mancebo x2 "fracture" makes me laugh every time I sees it
sorry but can you explain this to me please? no idea, rly....
i hope he is clean, btw.... (being patriotic can make people do stupid things, i know...)
For he just seem like a guy that actually care about cycling. Him and stapelton stands for me as the 2 most reliable team managers in the pro tour this year.
BenBarnes wrote:
Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 12:39
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Ruben wrote:
You are completely right about that Aquarius, But how is it that in those same tests, Armstrong only put out 6,3 w/kg... And he can do higher or same w/kg in races? It doesn't add up, I don't trust Armstrong He's still as efficient after two weeks and 6 or 7 hours of racing, that's what happens when you train in the cold and in the rain. I'm not sure whether it's useful that I say that I also don't trust Armstrong. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:20
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drugsdontwork wrote:
t-baum wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
Holczer would appear to be:
A) A Complete Idiot
B) The World's Biggest Liar/Hypocrite
C) Both
How many CSC fans out there are very, very nervous?
And, why oh why oh why were Astana not allowed to race? Could have caught the buggers once and for all...
Still, at least the Vuelta and Giro were clean races.
You just contradicted yourself oh so badly.
Think you'll find fenian was being sarcastic
Can we have a cigar for drugsdontwork?
That's what's one of the things that is so messed up about the whole situation. Seems it was OK to dope at all the races this year apart from the TdF - and even then, they seem only interested in catching a handful of riders. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:24
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For Holzer fans.
His team is as dirty as they come.
https://www.cyclin...sep22news2 |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:35
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Jacknic would tell you we should shut up as we don't know, still we could guess many things about them ages before this came out.
It's obvious Rebellin is a doped rider and has been one throughout his career. Now we learn his buddy Moletta and another Italian rider from the team, De Bonis, are likely dopeheads as well. Is anyone really surprised ?
Then there's Schumacher, caught a first time with caphedrin in 2005, he got away with a paper of his mother (who is a doctor), then caught again one week before Stuttgart's WC with a hematocrit above 50%, he claimed he had gotten diarrhea and was cleared. The a third time the following week, he was caught with amphetamines.
Now he was even stronger, who is really surprised he's been caught with CERA ?
There's also Kohl who is rumoured to be on the list of riders caught with CERA, he's Schumacher room buddy and life friend, he was stronger than ever last July, would you be surprised if he was caught as well ?
Still I trust Gerolsteiner. I mean I trust Holczer and feel he is sincere when trying to fight dope in cycling and within his team. But he cannot prevent every single imbecile from taking dope on his own. The situation of the team this season is a bit like Cofidis 2004, some of the riders deal dope to some other ones, but most likely there's no team doping (Festina-like) going on there. The opposite would surprise me a lot.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:36
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oh well, Gerolsteiner riders have just as many oppourtunities as everybody else. Still no official busts at those teams with internal testing programs. Now that is going to be interesting! If a CSC, Colombia or Garmin riders goes down, I will look forward to the explanations from their testers! |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:37
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Que CERA CERA.
Eh?
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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Posted on 07-10-2008 13:39
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What ever will be will be...
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