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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:58
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issoisso wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
I do THINK, I do READ
1. That wasn't aimed at you, quite clearly.
2. No you quite clearly don't, as this shows:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Thanks for telling me that the commie, left wing nuts have got into my head to make me want to go to war.
considering I never said anything of the sort to t-baum. much less to you. So although it wasn't aimed at you, it will be this time: THINK and READ 
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
I thought the terrorists did that to me when they slammed four planes into three buildings and an empty field not far from where I live. I think he is perfectly fine with the Go to Hell reaction. He was clearly addressing the insensitive and uniformed remarks from Aquarius.
Insensitive and uninformed? Stating that you're ignoring hundreds of millions of deaths in holocausts every year to focus on a single small incident is insensitive and uninformed? Whaaaaaaaaaa?
Yeah, That's what you wrote. If that is not what you meant, then you should write more clearly next time. You have to pardon my jumping into the conversation. I decided to lend a hand to the fellow and express my views.
He is insensitive for making light of the feelings of Americans for 9/11, uniformed for not calling them heroes (firefighters and other emergency responders).
Edited by ABridgeTooFar on 13-09-2008 18:00
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:59
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I just need to weigh in on this conversation then amek a quick escape
ABridgeToFar: The French deal with terrorists by bending over and taking it like a fag.... Or getting on their knees and smiling like a doughnut, Or both.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:00
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What people are trying to say is not 9/11 is insignificant because it's not. Far from.
What they are trying to say is that while everyone commerates 9/11 people forget about other disasters (i.e the holocaust, which was Genocide, or the Rwanda etc.). Nobody is saying 9/11 is insignificant, why are we all commerating it.
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| p3druh |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:01
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Levi4life wrote:
ABridgeToFar: The French deal with terrorists by bending over and taking it like a fag.... Or getting on their knees and smiling like a doughnut, Or both.
Yeah, Guantanamo Bay is a better way to address the issue...
Edited by p3druh on 13-09-2008 18:03
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:05
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Yeah, That's what you wrote. If that is not what you meant, then you should write more clearly next time.
Wrong. I wrote to t-baum:
The media's got in your head that if you don't [do that] you're a "commie" and a "left-wing nut" and you hate america, or some other stupid crap
Which is wildly different from writing to you that "the commie, left wing nuts have got into your head to make you want to go to war", as you said I did. so, again, READ
And if you do, as you seem, take "communist" as an insult, you're someone who's so bigoted, I don't want to talk to you anymore.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
You have to pardon my jumping into the conversation. I decided to lend a hand to the fellow and express my views.
What's to pardon? you're entitled to your views in a discussion.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
He is insensitive for making light of the feelings of Americans for 9/11, uniformed for not calling them heroes (firefighters and other emergency responders).
He never did so, and you're just confirming the american stereotype of the dumb "if you don't bow down to the godliness of all things american you hate america and americans" stereotype.
Levi4life wrote:
I just need to weigh in on this conversation then amek a quick escape
ABridgeToFar: The French deal with terrorists by bending over and taking it like a fag.... Or getting on their knees and smiling like a doughnut, Or both.
You're confirming all the stereotypes that make some people hate americans.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:06
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doddy13 wrote:
What people are trying to say is not 9/11 is insignificant because it's not. Far from.
What they are trying to say is that while everyone commerates 9/11 people forget about other disasters (i.e the holocaust, which was Genocide, or the Rwanda etc.). Nobody is saying 9/11 is insignificant, why are we all commerating it.
It is significant to us (Americans). If it is not then don't commemorate it. I don't care. Don't blame us for doing something. And don't blame us if we don't do anything about Rwanda, Sahara and the others. We are not the worlds policemen. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:08
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Right guys, time for me to play the forums policeman and tell all of you to step back before this turns into a big fight.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:08
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
We are not the worlds policemen.
The irony is doing my head in 
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| p3druh |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:09
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
And don't blame us if we don't do anything about Rwanda, Sahara and the others. We are not the worlds policemen.
You cared when the country in question was Iraq. You were the world's policemen then. Why not in other occasions?
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:10
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2nd and last comment by me, because clearly people don't understand english...
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
It is significant to us (Americans).
I never said it was insignificant, i was making the point that people are not saying that it is insignificant
clear? good.
(oh and i should know about terrorist attacks, seeing as the London one's hit very close to home... nuff said.)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:13
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doddy13 wrote:
2nd and last comment by me, because clearly people don't understand english...
it's useless, I've said the same thing a few times too but they keep smashing (not hitting) the same key: "ZOMG they said teh fiyerminz arnt heeros they iz teh anti-americanz!!1!"
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:13
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Issoisso, you seem to be jumping to stereotypes about me. I said nothing about bowing down to all things American. I merely said that his comments were insensitive. Which they were to me and I must guess several others. Insensitive is an emotion. This is the emotion that I felt. Say thank you for telling me that his comments were not insensitive. I don't know what I was thinking.
Regarding the Communist comment, I did not take it as an insult. You were the one using the word. I was only re-introducing it. Also, someone can not like Communists or Communism without being bigoted. You can disagree with someone or some idea without intolerance. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:14
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Issoisso, you seem to be jumping to stereotypes about me. I said nothing about bowing down to all things American. I merely said that his comments were insensitive. Which they were to me and I must guess several others. Insensitive is an emotion. This is the emotion that I felt. Say thank you for telling me that his comments were not insensitive. I don't know what I was thinking.
Regarding the Communist comment, I did not take it as an insult. You were the one using the word. I was only re-introducing it. Also, someone can not like Communists or Communism without being bigoted. You can disagree with someone or some idea without intolerance.
sigh.........
it's useless. it's truly useless. I give up.
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:20
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Levi4life wrote:
I just need to weigh in on this conversation then amek a quick escape
ABridgeToFar: The French deal with terrorists by bending over and taking it like a fag.... Or getting on their knees and smiling like a doughnut, Or both.
You're confirming all the stereotypes that make some people hate americans.[/quote]
I know
But at the root of all of this, this thread is about the commoration of a tragic even that occurred in America. Therefore it is not about Darfur and it is not about the Holocaust, it is about America. Make a thread to commemorate the holocaust, or an Activist thread for darfur. BUT this thread is about the attacks that occured at the Pentagon and the Twin Towers on september 11th 2001.
Simply don't contribute to the conversation if you are going to go off topic.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:20
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Okay, I'll stop after this and others can chime in and I won't respond. Believe what you want, but tell me that Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. and Iraq's neighbors. It is a war on terror and world war. This is not a war with men in uniforms lining up in a field of battle where you clearly know the enemy. This is a new type of war, something that the world has only seem glimpses of in the past. If not Iraq now, then it would have been Iraq later or a school in St. Louis, a bridge in San Francisco, a museum in London. The terrorists don't want the US out of the middle east. The want the US out of planet earth. We are not policemen in Iraq, like we would have been in Rwanda and other places. Plus Europeans may want to cut us some slack, we did help you out on a few occasions over the last 100 years (that should wrinkle some feathers) |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:21
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MAKE A FUCKING THREAD FOR THE GENICIDE OR THE HOLOCAUST DONT DISCUSS IT HERE.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:26
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Levi4life wrote:
I just need to weigh in on this conversation then amek a quick escape
ABridgeToFar: The French deal with terrorists by bending over and taking it like a fag.... Or getting on their knees and smiling like a doughnut, Or both. If it was second degree, probably I'd laugh, what scares me is that you seem dead serious about your stereotype...
France and the French have had their share of terrorists too, Islamist (Algerians in our cases) until the mid 90's. None of their attack was as lethal or as spectacular as the 9/11 events though, but there were way more than four attacks. We still have to deal with Corsicans and Basques terrorists too (although those rather pick at state buildings than at random people). Should we commemorate every single attack then ? We'll be commemorating a hundreds of times a year. I wonder how many times a year they wwould be commemorating in a couple of centuries, all year long probably.
Now, what's a hero ? Somebody who's in a tower and gets randomly killed by some religious fanatic who decided to destroy the building ? Nope, definitely. Somebody who do their job of saving human lives and gets killed at doing it ? Not my point of view, I mean this happens several times every day, in every part of the world. I may be insensitive, but they know the risk is big as fire fighters. Consider them heroes if you want, my country dose it too, I just don't, although I'm grateful to them for their actions, naturally.
And no, I'm not saying we should forget the holocaust. Just compare numbers, as it's been said. 20 000 times more people died from the holocaust than during the 9/11 events. More people die from starvation every single day than people who died on the 9/11.
What happened that day is not about the people who died that day, it's more about symbolism, two conceptions of the world (western vs islamists) starting a war.
What I'm bashing is surely not Americans, it's that tendency to always look backward and being crying looking at one's own navel. French people do the same, please don't turn this into a fight of stereotypes about nationalities... |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:32
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Okay, I'll stop after this and others can chime in and I won't respond. Believe what you want, but tell me that Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. and Iraq's neighbors. It is a war on terror and world war. This is not a war with men in uniforms lining up in a field of battle where you clearly know the enemy. This is a new type of war, something that the world has only seem glimpses of in the past. If not Iraq now, then it would have been Iraq later or a school in St. Louis, a bridge in San Francisco, a museum in London. The terrorists don't want the US out of the middle east. The want the US out of planet earth. We are not policemen in Iraq, like we would have been in Rwanda and other places. Plus Europeans may want to cut us some slack, we did help you out on a few occasions over the last 100 years (that should wrinkle some feathers)
I could follow you and your thoughts - until this post. Now, tell me, how do you see the link between 9/11 and Iraq?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:38
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That's about the best link you could find between both. Saddam, no matter that he was a frigging bastard, and that he was a Muslim, was against all sort of religious fanatics.
Afghanistan was and remains THE target in Middle-East, but Iraq ? Hadn't it been for oil and to finish what wasn't finished a dozen of years earlier, there would have been no serious reason to go there (no reason linked to the 9/11 events)... |
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Posted on 13-09-2008 18:38
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The reason for the Iraq war was Saddam's weapons of mass destruction...
...if you know where they are, contact George Bush as soon as possible..
Anyway, my one conclusion with this thread, with all this death, genocide, and terrorism, is - this World is messed up 
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