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Armstrong Back!!!!!!!
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| Stairs |
Posted on 09-09-2008 15:23
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You son of a ordkløver!  (He knows what it means)
Okay, then, what came first - cycling a la the late 19th century and early 20th century or doping?
Never.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-09-2008 15:25
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by "doping" do you mean doping in cycling or doping in all sports?
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Posted on 09-09-2008 15:43
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ponka00 wrote:
Well Basso would crush him because he is much younger...
I think at 37 you are a bit old to win the tour
Hmm , Basso should have trained a lot of Time Trials because Armstrong was everytime better , Basso haven´t win even against Ullrich out of form at the 2006 Giro d´Italia , also when the rumour of a TTT is right , Basso should have a brilliant team , Astana at a TTT ouch , I think only Garmin could have a chance against Astana |
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Posted on 09-09-2008 15:53
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Let's get a few things straight, in my own views:
1. Basso won't be allowed at the Tour next year, at least
2. Basso > Contador. easily. Big difference. Contador is the best non suspended stage racer simply because the best of these generations are all suspended or retired.
Once the next generations reach their peak and thus the normal level of top riders in the world is restored, Contador will go back to being very good but not the best. A man who can win the Vuelta, but not the Tour consistently.
He's just taking advantage of a lull in great stage riders (those that are supposed to be at their peak are now suspended or retired), and it won't last much longer.
The relative performances of riders show it clearly. Basso 460 watts in 2006, Contador 435 watts in 2007. Huge difference.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 15:53
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issoisso wrote:
by "doping" do you mean doping in cycling or doping in all sports?
Well, there's been doping - or just cheating - as long as there's been competition sports. I would assume that doping, as we think about it today, has been following and will follow physical sports for all time - thereby not saying there's no doping in chess
My answer to you, Isso, would then be: I don't know what I meant
Never.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 21:55
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Lance has confirmed he'll be trying to win TDF '#8 this year
https://news.bbc.c...605378.stm
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Posted on 09-09-2008 21:57
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I can confirm that my mother, as the huge Armstrong fan she is, is very happy to hear this being confirmed. Actually, im kinda happy to hear it as well.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 21:58
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me, not an armstrong fan. But you can't help at feeling some sort of happiness towards this.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:09
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doddy13 wrote:
me, not an armstrong fan. But you can't help at feeling some sort of happiness towards this.
I hated him during his 7-year spell, but I agree, I'm a bit happy about it aswell and I won't be in the least surprised if he wins Le Tour and makes himself a true legend.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:10
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oh yeah, 7 year domination was very boring.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:12
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If he don't win,his career will be fatally flawed.
It's all or nothing...I CAN'T WAIT for tour 09!!
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:15
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Now, if only ASO would accept Basso.
Armstrong, Contador and Basso. Just imagine how many people would stop watching it
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:28
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issoisso wrote:
2. Basso > Contador. easily. Big difference. Contador is the best non suspended stage racer simply because the best of these generations are all suspended or retired.
Once the next generations reach their peak and thus the normal level of top riders in the world is restored, Contador will go back to being very good but not the best. A man who can win the Vuelta, but not the Tour consistently.
He's just taking advantage of a lull in great stage riders (those that are supposed to be at their peak are now suspended or retired), and it won't last much longer.
The relative performances of riders show it clearly. Basso 460 watts in 2006, Contador 435 watts in 2007. Huge difference.
Whilst I admit that the question of who is better Basso or Contador is open to much debate, one point must be made. Whilst Basso dominated the 2006 Giro, there must be a question about how clean he was in the run up to (and perhaps during) the event? In addition, how much did this affected his performance then and in his career before hand?
Whilst we can all accuse Contadoper of being a doper, the simple fact is that, until now, not one of us can prove that he was doping during his TdF win.
I don't doubt that the premise of isso's point is correct (namely Contador is benifiting from potentially good riders being banned/retired). However, to make comparisons with a convicted doper is unfair.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:44
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https://www.universalsports.com/ViewAr...ID=1578670
(thanks to Taki)
Edited by issoisso on 09-09-2008 22:44
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:45
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drugsdontwork wrote:
Whilst Basso dominated the 2006 Giro, there must be a question about how clean he was in the run up to (and perhaps during) the event?
drugsdontwork wrote:
Whilst we can all accuse Contadoper of being a doper, the simple fact is that, until now, not one of us can prove that he was doping during his TdF win.
Massive contradiction 
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Posted on 09-09-2008 22:46
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whow!
thats great news for any cycling fan... i mean, the tour 09 has the potential to be epic  |
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Posted on 09-09-2008 23:00
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Fingers crossed he quits again for one reason or another before the Tour de France.
Surely Contador won't be overjoyed if Armstrong comes to Astana with the goal of winning the tour?
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Posted on 09-09-2008 23:06
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issoisso wrote:
drugsdontwork wrote:
Whilst Basso dominated the 2006 Giro, there must be a question about how clean he was in the run up to (and perhaps during) the event?
drugsdontwork wrote:
Whilst we can all accuse Contadoper of being a doper, the simple fact is that, until now, not one of us can prove that he was doping during his TdF win.
Massive contradiction
MORE IMPORTANTLY, READ THE LINK ABOVE
personally I don't see the contradiction:-
If your refering to the fact that Basso wasn't found doping during the 06 Giro, then ii accept your point. However, the fact is he has been found guilty and banned, Contador hasn't. When you compare the two riders performances you must accept that question will be raised.
Anyway it's not important...... I like the discussons we have on this forum, it challenges my own opinions, and some of you guys seem to know a hell of a lot more about cycling than me so I learn too! 
Back to Armstrong, I say good luck to him. However I get the feeling if he does come back and doesn't win next years tour, then it will unfortunately leave more questions than answers. 
Goodnight all!
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Posted on 09-09-2008 23:14
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drugsdontwork wrote:
personally I don't see the contradiction:-
If your refering to the fact that Basso wasn't found doping during the 06 Giro, then ii accept your point. However, the fact is he has been found guilty and banned, Contador hasn't. When you compare the two riders performances you must accept that question will be raised.
I don't raise questions. They're both guilty, so I feel at ease comparing them.
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Anyway it's not important...... I like the discussons we have on this forum, it challenges my own opinions, and some of you guys seem to know a hell of a lot more about cycling than me so I learn too!
The day I stop learning from these people, I'll lose interest in posting here.
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Posted on 09-09-2008 23:20
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I don't think Lance will go to Astana. There are too much capitans, who surely won't be happy if Lance joins.
I think (and hope) it'll be Columbia. It's american, they've Stapleton and he would be the captain, with some decent helpers (Gerdemann, Lövkvist, Rogers, etc.)
Although i'm not so happy about his comeback, i'll accept him in the peleton...
Now only Ulle is left, maybe he makes a comeback too? ^^ Then we would have Ulle vs. Armstrong vs. Basso. Like 05. I don't know if i would celebrate or cry about this....
Crazy day.
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