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| Goldberger |
Posted on 24-08-2008 15:16
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We will see, dont forget that Leipheimer was stronger than Contador in the last stages in tour 2007, and also much stronger than Sastre. I think Leipheimer will get a top 3 in GC atleast. I have less faith in Klöden though, he always dissapoints me in grand tours |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-08-2008 18:30
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I posted about 3 times rebating a few people's points, and why Leipheimer is weaker and Kloden stronger than Goldberger says, but the post never appears after I posted, so i'm sick and tired of re-writing the same crap.
So, to further prove the unrelated point that Contador might at any time go from "most promising young rider in the world" and "sure thing" to "steaming pile of manure", here's an example. This is today's Volta a Portugal TT.
1st Hector Guerra(Spa) Liberty Seguros
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31st Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros +3.57
he's in top form. The TT was 31kms long.
Jon Patrick McCarthy beat him by half an hour overall.
That's how much one can fall
Edited by issoisso on 24-08-2008 18:32
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 25-08-2008 06:49
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And were did Cozza finish Isso?
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| Crommy |
Posted on 25-08-2008 08:38
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issoisso wrote:
I posted about 3 times rebating a few people's points, and why Leipheimer is weaker and Kloden stronger than Goldberger says, but the post never appears after I posted, so i'm sick and tired of re-writing the same crap.
I actually read that post 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2008 09:09
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Levi4life wrote:
And were did Cozza finish Isso?
is it that hard to check for yourself?
2:25 behind in the time trial, 1h25m behind on GC. So no moustache shaving for him
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 25-08-2008 09:27
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schleck93 wrote:
Leipeihmer is going to get his ass kicked very hard by contador, on the climbs, and besides Leipeihmer only made on fantastic TT in his life (last TT in TDF last year), most of his other TT's are just average.
Apparently bronze medal is average to you. Since end of 2006..he's done extensive TT testing and has supposedly crushed some aerodynamic records. This is why you see a big improvement in recent years...and you can see it in his positioning on bike now. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 25-08-2008 12:10
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I know why Isidro Nozal sucks now, it's because he no longer has Fuentes as his doctor Ever since Nozal had too high blood values and got suspended, he has been a worse rider. When you look at his body shape in the first place he shouldn't really be the climber he was in the Vuelta in 2003 and 2004.
Concerning Leipheimer and Klöden, I know Klöden has been better in most Grand Tours they have raced together, it's just I think Leipheimer is in better form now, and will do a better Vuelta. I really don't think Klöden can follow the best in the mountains, he has a big problem with acclerations And yes Leipheimer has improved his tt, as shown in olympics and 2007 tour. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2008 12:25
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Goldberger wrote:
I know why Isidro Nozal sucks now, it's because he no longer has Fuentes as his doctor Ever since Nozal had too high blood values and got suspended, he has been a worse rider. When you look at his body shape in the first place he shouldn't really be the climber he was in the Vuelta in 2003 and 2004.
He sucked way before that. I wrote a big text on Nozal a while ago. look for it, it might still be on the forum. or maybe it was on a PM. I won't write it again, but he has mental issues. BIG ONES.
Goldberger wrote:
Concerning Leipheimer and Klöden, I know Klöden has been better in most Grand Tours they have raced together, it's just I think Leipheimer is in better form now, and will do a better Vuelta.
That, I agree with
Goldberger wrote:
I really don't think Klöden can follow the best in the mountains, he has a big problem with acclerations And yes Leipheimer has improved his tt, as shown in olympics and 2007 tour.
Leipheimer has the same problem.
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 25-08-2008 12:35
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Okay, ive been looking for some information about Isidro Nozal for a long time, but it's hard to find spanish/portugese cycling articles that are translated to english. On the Leipheimer issue, I think he's better at following attacks than Klöden, because he really sucks at it. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 25-08-2008 13:31
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In non-drug-related news, Tinkoff has named its squad for this years Vuelta. As expected, Ignatiev will be the team leader, going for a stage win. For the overall they have the once-a-year performer Petrov, the injury-wracked Serrano, and (do i need to say anything?) Pedraza. They also have the first Russian Giro stage winner (for a long time) Brutt, along with Vasil Kiryienka, another stage winner and 3rd (or is that now 2nd) placed in the KoM Giro competition. Ivan Rovny will be once again waiting to burst onto the scenes (or so they keep saying). Trusov and neo-pro Eskov (in his first grand tour) will be attempting sprint wins.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2008 14:11
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Goldberger wrote:
Okay, ive been looking for some information about Isidro Nozal for a long time, but it's hard to find spanish/portugese cycling articles that are translated to english. On the Leipheimer issue, I think he's better at following attacks than Klöden, because he really sucks at it .
Maybe later today I can re-write it. I think I might know where to find a copy of what I wrote
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Posted on 08-12-2025 13:15
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 25-08-2008 15:34
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Ive been thinking things through, and i havent changed my opinion on who i want to win...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2008 15:44
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why? because you don't want CSC fans chirping around like headless chickens? or something else?
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 25-08-2008 15:48
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CSC fans are stupidity on a string. Quite simply. They go "Hey now, CSC, thats like a danish team! They have Bjarne Riis and around minus 12 danish riders! It doesnt get more danish than that! Lets support them!"
CSC - Saxo Bank is just as danish as Astana is from Kazakhstan now that Vino and Kash isnt there.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2008 15:51
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ZOMG butz deh Anker (you can't get more annoying than referring to Sorensen as "Anker" ) is teh greateztz climbahz evah!!!!!!!!!
That or random norwegian saying "The speed is high for the sprint. that's good for Hagen", which reminds me of someone saying "this 35% incline will be perfect for Backstedt's time trialling abilities"
Edited by issoisso on 25-08-2008 15:52
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 25-08-2008 16:00
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issoisso wrote:
which reminds me of someone saying "this 35% incline will be perfect for Backstedt's time trialling abilities"
A 35% decline perhaps...
Also, during the Olympic races, all riders that didnt ride for CSC was mentioned by their nationality. But when it was Cancellara or someone, it was always "There goes CSC's Cancellara". It was never "Fabian Cancellara from Switzerland won gold!" but "Cancellara from Team CSC".
Anyway, not to derail this any further...
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| niconico |
Posted on 25-08-2008 16:01
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Waghlon wrote:
CSC fans are stupidity on a string. Quite simply. They go "Hey now, CSC, thats like a danish team! They have Bjarne Riis and around minus 12 danish riders! It doesnt get more danish than that! Lets support them!"
CSC - Saxo Bank is just as danish as Astana is from Kazakhstan now that Vino and Kash isnt there.
We get your opinion, but why do you keep bitching about it?
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 25-08-2008 16:05
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I didnt really bitch about it most of August, so im behind my bitching quota.
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| Stairs |
Posted on 25-08-2008 16:07
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Waghlon misses his Damiano...
Never.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2008 16:47
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Damiano will be at the Vuelta in all his gayness (can you say "cycling pants?" ), waghlon needs not despair
(if you didn't get any of that, have a doctor check your right parahippocampal gyrus)
Edited by issoisso on 25-08-2008 16:52
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