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Good Ol' Justin's Fan DB - Looking for ppl to help me with 09 DB
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| matt493 |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:06
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JustinWK wrote:
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I think Popovych needs a higher mountain stat. He has had some great placings and did great in last years tour.
I think I already gave him a break by giving him 77, if you'd look at this years tour he wouldnt even deserve 74 MT stat, as u saw when Popo is feeling good he's even capable of beating 80 MO riders like F. Schleck and apart from a 3rd spot at Paris Nice he didnt do anything big so I personally dont agree with this 
I 150% disagree. He has spent all his energy working for Evans and in races by himself he should shine. I bet you a lot of money he isnt feeling good because he has had to chase back a lot of people and help Evans. he got 3rd in mountain classifications last year and 8 th overall. He got 3rd overall in the Paris Nice. You cant seriously say that he doesnt deserve a higher mountain stat. What you are saying is that van broek is as good in the mountains as Popovych. For Example if in a Career he goes to another team where he is the leader I would expect him to do pretty well like I bet he would in real life. He has even finished very high in the Giro D' Italia's. Have you seen him race. He is a star.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:26
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On an odd tangent: Shouldnt Zabel get a bit more than 64MO? I mean, he was AFAIK in the peloton when they hit Croix de Fer.
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| helGn |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:28
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Hagen really is a good rider. just the other day he came second in a TT behind Grabsh, think it was in 4 days of blablabla. how can you put down gerdemans mountain stat when he is injured and cannot race? also lövkvist should have higher hillstat than mountainstat IMO, also quite a few plainstats is too low i think. the game would screw up and just make young riders awesome too quickly. and with dekker having a higher hilly stat than mountainstat he would develop into a hilly expert wich might be what you want, but if not you should fix this  |
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| matt493 |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:33
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and Hincapie should have an 85 in every stat. I mean c'mon everyone knows that.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:34
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matt493 wrote:
and Hincapie should have an 85 in every stat. I mean c'mon everyone knows that.
He's better in the hills than Ciolek!! He's gold Jerry, GOLD!!!
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| helGn |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:55
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matt493 wrote:
and Hincapie should have an 85 in every stat. I mean c'mon everyone knows that.
to be quite honest. i think we should crack that thing, so that stats could go over 85 and set 90's on him |
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| The Special One |
Posted on 23-07-2008 22:36
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if hincapie gets 90 in everything. Mads Kaggestad needs atleast 99 in everything.
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 24-07-2008 08:27
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First of all I'd like to thank u for ur reactions!
@isso: Yes I know that, but for now I'm trying to make a DB which partly resembles how Popovych is doing now, and @ Matt, isnt Andy Schleck working hard aswell yet ending in the top 10 of the Alpe D'Huez stage?
@alex: agreed with the lovkvist thing and I'll also lower Evans his hill stat, about the Schleck's, for now I want to keep Andy at 79 simply because with his potential he'll already be a monster in the next years anyhow, however I may give him 80 but i'm still thinking about this.
@Waghlon: agreed, Zabel ended 40th today on the Alpe D'Huez stage and so 69 or perhaps even 70 would be better
@helgn: Its just because imo Gerdemann is a decent climber but nothing more than that, I didnt only do it because he is injured. And about the plain stats, I'd like u to tell me of whoch riders u think its too low 'some plain stats are 2 low' doesnt really help me At last, I personally dont like dekker, still I think that atm 77 MO and 79 HILL are the perfect stats for him as he proved himself in April but has yet to prove himself in a GT, besides with his potential (may down it to 7) he will turn out good anyway.
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| helGn |
Posted on 24-07-2008 08:34
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the thing with dekker is since he has higher hill than mountain stat he will develop into a hilly clasic rider, however if this is what you want you dont need to change it but if you want him to become a GT rider you need to change thosue stats simply because of how the AI decides who to train in what way. i think burghardt is too low on plain. |
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| alex153 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 09:06
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helGn wrote:
the thing with dekker is since he has higher hill than mountain stat he will develop into a hilly clasic rider, however if this is what you want you dont need to change it but if you want him to become a GT rider you need to change thosue stats simply because of how the AI decides who to train in what way. i think burghardt is too low on plain.
Dekker is one of the best hilly riders in the world already, and even if he develops as a classics rider with those stats, his potential of 8 will also give him better mountain and recovery stats which will make him quite all-round. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2008 09:07
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JustinWK wrote:
about the Schleck's, for now I want to keep Andy at 79 simply because with his potential he'll already be a monster in the next years anyhow, however I may give him 80 but i'm still thinking about this.
keep in mind in this PCM the difference between 79 and 80 is gigantic
JustinWK wrote:
@Waghlon: agreed, Zabel ended 40th today on the Alpe D'Huez stage and so 69 or perhaps even 70 would be better
If you do that, the AI will treat him as a climber. up his stamina and resistance instead. don't let mountain go over 69
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-07-2008 09:07
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CrueTrue wrote:
Satisfied? You did notice that Sastre won a stage, right? 
and after the alpe?
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 24-07-2008 09:45
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issoisso wrote:
JustinWK wrote:
about the Schleck's, for now I want to keep Andy at 79 simply because with his potential he'll already be a monster in the next years anyhow, however I may give him 80 but i'm still thinking about this.
keep in mind in this PCM the difference between 79 and 80 is gigantic
JustinWK wrote:
@Waghlon: agreed, Zabel ended 40th today on the Alpe D'Huez stage and so 69 or perhaps even 70 would be better
If you do that, the AI will treat him as a climber. up his stamina and resistance instead. don't let mountain go over 69
I gave him 69 MO for now so that shouldnt cause any problems, and didnt know about that difference but im gonna keep him at 79 for now I think
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| matt493 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 13:14
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Im still want to see Popovych a much better stat. it isnt like he is in last place now but Andy Schleck is working hard in a different way. He isnt doing work for the peloton but instead he is doing work once he gets in the break which is totally different. So make sure you read my post at the top of the page ad maybe you will up his stats. Im really disappointed that you cant see that he deserves a higher stat. BTW the game is not a one race game. There are other races in PCM 08 so you cant just look at the TDF and say that if they arent top in the TDF then they cant be a mountain rider.
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 24-07-2008 21:14
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I also said that I'm partly basing it on the situation right now, but then again lets say I give Kohl only 77 MO since he didnt anything special besides winning the TDF KOM jersey, lots of ppl will start yelling: WTF WHY DOES KOHL ONLY HAVE 77 MO
and I give Popovych 80 lots of ppl will say: OMG POPO SUCKED IN LE TOUR ARE U BLIND
So for now 77 it is, cos as I said earlier if I'd base it on this tour only I would have to give him 73 since even Aerts is outperforming him but im not doing that since I damn well know that Popo can do well when he has a good day and as u could see in my earlier test Popo is still able to do well with 77 MO since his other stats arent that bad. And besides if Popo's MO stat is the only stat that u think I misjudges it will only take 5 seconds to edit it wont it?
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| matt493 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 21:21
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Ugh. I dont think anyone will complain about popo having an 80. In my opinion i would rather see kohl with a lower mountain stat because in a career the way you should get such good results with Kohl is by sending him to a mountain training camp right before hand and having him peak for the Tour. You cant just think about one race.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2008 21:35
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matt493 wrote:
Ugh. I dont think anyone will complain about popo having an 80. In my opinion i would rather see kohl with a lower mountain stat because in a career the way you should get such good results with Kohl is by sending him to a mountain training camp right before hand and having him peak for the Tour. You cant just think about one race.
I refuse to take training camps into account.
"Anyone who uses training camps shall be stabbed in the face" - Winston Churchill
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 24-07-2008 21:36
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In other words that also means that if one would use training camps that Popovych would be a complete beast and own everyone at a GT
Don't agree on higher for popovych...
said by alex btw, look we could go on for hours about this but I will keep him at 77 MO case closed
Edited by JustinWK on 24-07-2008 21:39
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| alex153 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 21:46
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Training camps are cheating, end of that discussion.
On Popovych, no one says he is a bad rider. He is a good climber, but during the last year he hasn't proven enough to have more then 77-78 in stats. Also, you can't get stuck on just mountain stat, there are serveral stats that affect how good a climber and GT rider you are in this game. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2008 21:46
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I love it how everyone gets so incensed about 1-2 points off on a big name rider and never give a crap about colossal mistakes in small-time riders
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