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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 10-06-2008 15:44
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the tour of belgium is vacation for him 
like the tour of down under would be vacation for Contador
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2008 15:45
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I'm not knocking on you guys especially, I'm making a general comment:
notice how only the belgians defend him? just like when Rasmussen was caught the only people defending him were Danish. etc. it's always like that.
It's a performance enhancing drug, when he took it is completely irrelevant.
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:46
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Just because its easy and takes little effort doesnt make it a holiday. He's still doing his job.
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:47
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issoisso wrote:
I'm not knocking on you guys especially, I'm making a general comment:
notice how only the belgians defend him? just like when Rasmussen was caught the only people defending him were Danish. etc. it's always like that.
It's a performance enhancing drug, when he took it is completely irrelevant.
just for you: im not a boonen fan.
far from it. off course ill defend him a bit because he's belgian nad he's good.
and rasmussen was obvious he?he rode away form everybody like it was nothing did boonen started racing extremly good this year?
i guess not
i don't think riding high under influence of coke is easy. he would fall from his bike after 10 meters
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 10-06-2008 15:48
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:50
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issoisso wrote:
I'm not knocking on you guys especially, I'm making a general comment:
notice how only the belgians defend him? just like when Rasmussen was caught the only people defending him were Danish. etc. it's always like that.
It's a performance enhancing drug, when he took it is completely irrelevant.
No its not, coke only gives you the rush when you take it, the effects of it are worn out in a few hours.
While stuff like EPO, testosterone or whatever helps you get more oxigen in your blood or whatever so you can perform better, it helps you in the long run.
During the Tour of Belgium Boonen didnt test positive for cocaine, hence he didnt take any then so he competed cleanly, seeing how the 'performance enhancing' effects of cocaine(rush/high) only last a few hours |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:51
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MortChill wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I'm not knocking on you guys especially, I'm making a general comment:
notice how only the belgians defend him? just like when Rasmussen was caught the only people defending him were Danish. etc. it's always like that.
It's a performance enhancing drug, when he took it is completely irrelevant.
No its not, coke only gives you the rush when you take it, the effects of it are worn out in a few hours.
While stuff like EPO, testosterone or whatever helps you get more oxigen in your blood or whatever so you can perform better, it helps you in the long run.
During the Tour of Belgium Boonen didnt test positive for cocaine, hence he didnt take any then so he competed cleanly, seeing how the 'performance enhancing' effects of cocaine(rush/high) only last a few hours
and after those few hours you are a wreck apparently
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:54
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his problem, not mine 
i cant understand why he did it, i mean its stupid, and unlike others like VDB, he has no real personal problems, has stability in his life etc
and its not just the coke, also the drunk driving and such
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:55
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The test for cocaine is effective only in very few cases. Most people can take as much cocaine as they want and still not test positive. Look at the list of footballers caught on cocaine in the past few years. Only Bosnich tested positive. all the others were caught with cocaine in their position, had been using it for years and never tested positive.
Cocaine is a stimulant. It's been used for decades in cycling. just because you don't want to admit it does not make it false
Edited by issoisso on 10-06-2008 15:56
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-06-2008 15:56
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MortChill wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I'm not knocking on you guys especially, I'm making a general comment:
notice how only the belgians defend him? just like when Rasmussen was caught the only people defending him were Danish. etc. it's always like that.
It's a performance enhancing drug, when he took it is completely irrelevant.
No its not, coke only gives you the rush when you take it, the effects of it are worn out in a few hours.
While stuff like EPO, testosterone or whatever helps you get more oxigen in your blood or whatever so you can perform better, it helps you in the long run.
During the Tour of Belgium Boonen didnt test positive for cocaine, hence he didnt take any then so he competed cleanly, seeing how the 'performance enhancing' effects of cocaine(rush/high) only last a few hours It was used in Belgian pot and Dutch pot for its amphetamines like effects (togther with heroin, corticoids, and whatever...).
In the 80's and earlier many riders were taking it. The effects were peanuts compared to EPO or blood doping.
Though, it's ont really something you'd take out of competition with the purpose to dope if you're a cyclist. When you're high your heart beats like 30 or 50 bpm higher than usual ("shit, I'm riding at 30 on the flat and I can't push any harder ?!"), then when you're going down you're a waste and hardly motivated enough to train.
Given Boonen's life, it must be something he's taken for partying and got caught with it, like Ullrich in 2002.
Edited by Aquarius on 10-06-2008 15:57
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:57
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issoisso wrote:
just because you don't want to admit it does not make it false
likewise. if you don't admit you have it wrong. just say "i'm sorry you guys are right, belgium to the top, boonen for the green jersey"
listen to aquarius = a wise person
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 10-06-2008 15:58
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:58
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I don't really think he used it to enhance his performances, that would be stupid. I'm just trying to show them they're wrong when they say it's not a performance enhancer.
Bottom line: he doped, irrespective of what his goal was he deserves to be suspended.
By the way, Ullrich wasn't cocaine.
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Posted on 10-06-2008 15:59
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issoisso wrote:
The test for cocaine is effective only in very few cases. Most people can take as much cocaine as they want and still not test positive. Look at the list of footballers caught on cocaine in the past few years. Only Bosnich tested positive. all the others were caught with cocaine in their position.
Cocaine is a stimulant. It's been used for decades in cycling. just because you don't want to admit it does not make it false
man then he must have really been unlucky )
yes its been used in cycling in the past, on race days to experience and benefit from the rush, not from days or weeks before like EPO or other performance enhancing drugs who make you stronger or gain mor stamina.
It's like when Freddy Maertens drank his bidons of champagne and beer during the race, he didnt drink them two days before the race but in the race to experience the rush |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:00
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Ullrich was caught with some amphetamines, it's more or less the same thing (not chemically), it makes you more excited and full of energy. |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:01
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Aquarius wrote:
Ullrich was caught with some amphetamines, it's more or less the same thing (not chemically), it makes you more excited and full of energy.
I know. the reason nobody takes them anymore is that they make you foam at the mouth. It'd be very easy to tell which ones were doping on amphetamines
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:01
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Didn't Mutu get a seven month suspension and recently got forced to pay Chelsea £7 million for testing positive for Cocaine? And Boonen looks like getting away fairly easily 
I mean, the man has been caught drink-driving twice in the past month - if he wasn't Tom Boonen he'd be in a lot more shit  |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:03
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
Didn't Mutu get a seven month suspension and recently got forced to pay Chelsea £7 million for testing positive for Cocaine? And Boonen looks like getting away fairly easily
I mean, the man has been caught drink-driving twice in the past month - if he wasn't Tom Boonen he'd be in a lot more shit
no the reason of the drink-driving and getting away unpunished, listins to the name belgium
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:04
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Aquarius wrote:
Ullrich was caught with some amphetamines, it's more or less the same thing (not chemically), it makes you more excited and full of energy.
coke makes you sleepy
full of energy? i don't think so
you guys watch to much hollywood i guessB)
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 10-06-2008 16:05
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:05
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And they say Belgium is boring where nothing ever happens
Then again, that might have been the reason Boonen got into the cocaine...
Stijn_vranken wrote:
coke makes you sleepy
full of enegry? i don't think so
it has an insanely high amount of sugar and caffeine.
You get a sugar crash AND a caffeine crash. Makes you doubly sleepy.
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:08
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where did you learn that secondary school?
the fact that you think of caffeine is wrong
the sugar ( is correct) reaches you smell organ ( my wonderful english , why can't you guys read dutch?) this organ isn't used to that and reacts extremely violent
it takes 30 min ( max i believe) for the organ to come back to normal = end of you caffeine rush
why do you the nosebone goes away? the nose isn't used to sugarcristals and those cristals take everytime small pieces of the bone along.
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 10-06-2008 16:12
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:10
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dunno about mutu when he tested positive, he probably got that fine cause of some clause in his contract he violated by testing positive
But someone like Hingis got or was going to get suspended for a while for using coke cause she tested positive during a tournament(wimbledon i think), if she had tested positive outside of competition she would have gotten away with it.
Same for Ronnie O'Sullivan in snooker when he was stripped of his Irish masters title when he tested positive for marijuana during the tournament.
Boonen doesn't get away with it cause he is Boonen, he gets away with it cause it's outside of competition.
And it's not cause he wont get suspended that he wont feel consequences of it in one way or another.
Edited by Xavier on 10-06-2008 16:13
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