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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-05-2008 21:57
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
has he ver been caught in all the years he has been cycling.
did vinokourov take doping because his team made him too or his team offered it?
the answer is no. you can't judge a rider because he rides for a certain team.
one exception : Festina
Has he caught..is not a question..has Rasmussen ever realy caught?
Was Riis caught?
Was Basso realy caught?
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:02
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
alex153 wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
they dont should be here.
why is that???? what if your in that team and some guys take EPO, that doesn't make you a criminal.  that teams shouldn't be punished the riders just have to be harder punished. 10 years of no cycling for example
Klöden has spent his career at T-Mobile and Astana....and you think he is clean?
has he ver been caught in all the years he has been cycling.
did vinokourov take doping because his team made him too or his team offered it?
the answer is no. you can't judge a rider because he rides for a certain team.
one exception : Festina
T-mobile?
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:06
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Rasmussen got caught , they proved he took EPO or something. but it wasn't a forbidden
product. For Riis i was a bit to young( 7 years old) . did he win that spectacular?
Basso got caught cause his name was mentionned in the client ist of peurto.
damn my englsih is bad
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:08
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mattiasgt wrote:
T-mobile?
did the team admitted that they dealed? i mean to all the cyclist or just to a few?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:10
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Meh, screw the doping, if they are all doing it, whats all your problems anyway? Go Tinkoff! With those riders, the TTT will be a good fight, as will the ITTs. Ignatiev for top 10 in the short one, Petrov top 10 in the two individual ones. Mazzanti would do good in the sharp climbs (top 20s) but he'll be working for Petrov as he sucks at TTing.
As to Levarlet - whooo! You'll see him in a long mountain stage breakaway i reckon. He'll be told to go away for fun - its the french style innit. B)
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Also can't you all make a doping topic somewhere else so you can all discuss it elsewhere. I'm not being naive or nething, im just fed up of all your chatter.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:13
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rjc_43 wrote:
Meh, screw the doping, if they are all doing it, whats all your problems anyway?
My problem is that since quite a few aren't doing it, it's not a fair playing field
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:15
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I have to say Basso never got caught as he never failed a test but as you rightly say his name was on the client list. It is a bit of a joke that Di Luca failed a test in Giro but never got banned for 2 years and have his title taken away but Basso who never failed a test got a 2 year ban. I am sure there are many more cases like this. What is the Rasmussen situation? |
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:15
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issoisso wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Meh, screw the doping, if they are all doing it, whats all your problems anyway?
My problem is that since quite a few aren't doing it, it's not a fair playing field
Aye, you've got a point there... maybe...
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:16
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ratate wrote:
I have to say Basso never got caught as he never failed a test but as you rightly say his name was on the client list. It is a bit of a joke that Di Luca failed a test in Giro but never got banned for 2 years and have his title taken away but Basso who never failed a test got a 2 year ban. I am sure there are many more cases like this. What is the Rasmussen situation?
the difference is that Basso confessed.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:16
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
mattiasgt wrote:
T-mobile?
did the team admitted that they dealed? i mean to all the cyclist or just to a few?
They dealed to the most I'll say...if not all. And who cares what they admitted? It's not like they are telling the whole truth anyway..
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:19
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rjc_43 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Meh, screw the doping, if they are all doing it, whats all your problems anyway?
My problem is that since quite a few aren't doing it, it's not a fair playing field
Aye, you've got a point there... maybe...
That's the problem nowdays if it's true that fewer people dopes, cause the ones that are doping, gets a bigger advantage.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:23
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Rasmussen got caught , they proved he took EPO or something. but it wasn't a forbidden
product. For Riis i was a bit to young( 7 years old) . did he win that spectacular?
Basso got caught cause his name was mentionned in the client ist of peurto.
damn my englsih is bad
Ok..my point is they never had been realy caught..you cant deny that. Who proved that Rasmussen was taking EPO? Who was proved that there was EPO traces on Armstrong blood..you cant prove anything that is beauty of the game. Who was last year so called "black rider"..hint ex. T-Mobile rider..
Dont get it..ok surprise he is in Astana right now.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:25
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issoisso wrote:
ratate wrote:
I have to say Basso never got caught as he never failed a test but as you rightly say his name was on the client list. It is a bit of a joke that Di Luca failed a test in Giro but never got banned for 2 years and have his title taken away but Basso who never failed a test got a 2 year ban. I am sure there are many more cases like this. What is the Rasmussen situation?
the difference is that Basso confessed.
I have some respect left for him on that front. I think it is something that needs to be sorted out for good a standard set of rules failed test 2 years bans none of these 3 months bans or 1 year depending on the reasons. |
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:27
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ratate wrote:
issoisso wrote:
ratate wrote:
I have to say Basso never got caught as he never failed a test but as you rightly say his name was on the client list. It is a bit of a joke that Di Luca failed a test in Giro but never got banned for 2 years and have his title taken away but Basso who never failed a test got a 2 year ban. I am sure there are many more cases like this. What is the Rasmussen situation?
the difference is that Basso confessed.
I have some respect left for him on that front. I think it is something that needs to be sorted out for good a standard set of rules failed test 2 years bans none of these 3 months bans or 1 year depending on the reasons.
well, I have none. He's just another guy like Sinkewitz, Jaksche, Millar, etc. in that he just kept denying it until the evidence was just too big.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:30
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It should be bans for life if you don't confess before hand, maybe 2-5 years if you help authorities afterwards (help them properly), then 1-2 years for a confession without being caught. Very severe fines taking away race winnings and majority of earnings help too.
Tougher penalties make doping a tougher choice to make.
Anyway, Astana will win
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-05-2008 22:32
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yes isso once was writing quide how you should act if you get positive dope results:
And this is a way how everyone act's also.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:33
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The only way I can defend a smaller suspension for someone who confesses is if they name someone else they know is doped.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:34
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issoisso wrote:
The only way I can defend a smaller suspension for someone who confesses is if they name someone else they know is doped.
That's what I was thinking - and punishment depends on how many you name.
But then it could become a witch hunt, with riders naming clean riders to get smaller sentences. Catch 22
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:36
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I was thinking of that.
I'm still on lifetime bans for riders. Clean slate, I'd say. If you doped before, we don't care. but if you're caught from now on, it's a lifetime ban for you and every soigneur and team director involved with the team.
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Posted on 05-05-2008 22:38
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issoisso wrote:
I was thinking of that.
I'm still on lifetime bans for riders. Clean slate, I'd say. If you doped before, we don't care. but if you're caught from now on, it's a lifetime ban for you and every soigneur and team director involved with the team.
That's a good thing to add - it makes sure team managers and staff bring the right mentality, it's there necks on the line too.
I'd say get rid of team managers retrospectively, analyse past samples, ban them if their team had multiple failures for drugs we can now test for.
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