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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-03-2008 13:34
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My question was (you answered in a backward manner) will being found positive for Dyn-EPO get you a ban?
Short answer: No.
The bigger question for me is whether any team will touch him now or whether he'll retire.
Supposedly Acqua & Saponne tried to sign him but he asked for a huge wage plus 3 certain riders to be signed by the team as helpers.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 21-03-2008 13:55
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So, a form of EPO isn't doping, and yet tobe stringent the UCI did what they did with van Impe, that is ridiculous. |
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| samtheman |
Posted on 21-03-2008 14:04
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The only reason you don't get a ban for Dyn-Epo is because the test hasn't been proven as effective yet or something like that. In other words, he was found positive, but the test doesn't count as legal evidence.
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| Setzel |
Posted on 21-03-2008 14:05
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Rules are Rules ....yes they tested him in an inapropriate way but this is the rule
SURPRIZE ANTI-DOPING CONTROL .....cannot blame the tester they just did there job
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 21-03-2008 14:39
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Also, my question was where would people rank Danielson, both in America and overall in the world? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-03-2008 14:46
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Deadpool wrote:
Also, my question was where would people rank Danielson, both in America and overall in the world?
quite some way down. Somewhere between Bruseghin and Caucchioli.
Healthy, who knows.
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| Setzel |
Posted on 21-03-2008 15:08
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Helthy near Rogers
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 21-03-2008 15:11
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So, solid but not great I take it. I would stick him by Rodgers as well. |
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Posted on 21-03-2008 15:12
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One other question - Do people think that Hindcapie is a good climber? Besides that one stage where he led Lance up and took the stage win, he hasn't shown himself to be an amazing climber. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-03-2008 15:31
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Hincapie managed to reach 385 W on the climb to Saint-Lary where he won that stage. That was almost his best mountain perfomance during a Grand Tour.
That's a value that can be attained by about 60 or 80 riders from today's peloton (not from an average peloton, I mean among all the pro riders today). That's good but never sufficient to win a Grand Tour or even a decent one week race.
As for Danielson, I cannot find values, but from what I remember of his Grand Tours efforts, and the riders he managed to follow there, he was probably reaching 410-420W on some mountains. That's much more impressive than Hincapie, although still far from Bjarne "EPO" Riis (485 W at best), Jan Ullrich (470 W) or Lance Armstrong and Ivan Basso (465 W).
Once again, those values are equivalent watts, not real watts which which would require to know the exact riders' weights at the very moment of the climb (= impossible and almost pointless). |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 21-03-2008 15:34
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Where did you get that info? |
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Posted on 21-03-2008 15:41
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www.cyclismag.com , although if you cannot read French you may have some troubles finding your way there.
But just enter "watts" in the search index and you should find some interesting stuff. |
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Posted on 21-03-2008 15:46
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I'll use babel fish, thanks |
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Posted on 21-03-2008 16:43
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I think Hincapie is a fairly good climber, I'd give him maybe 74 in pcm. As for Danielson; 76 at most.(The best climbing stat I would give is 83, to piepoli and maybe one or to others.)
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Posted on 21-03-2008 16:53
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I would put Hindcapie 72, Danielson 76, and Contador, Piepoli, and Valverde at 82 |
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Posted on 21-03-2008 17:12
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82 Piepoli 74 Hincapie Conta 80 Valverde 79 Levi 80
81 Di Luca and Menchov
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Posted on 21-03-2008 17:50
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Deadpool wrote:
I would put Valverde at 82
wow..this is even two years ago to much for him. |
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Posted on 21-03-2008 17:59
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Here's a brief summary of riders' best wattages on the Grand Tours for 2 years, all according to cyclismag, I didn't include riders officially caught with dope :
Valverde : 455 W Cobertoria, Vuelta 2006
Piepoli : 455 W Nostra Signora de la Guardi, Giro 2007
Di Luca : 450 W Nostra Signora de la Guardi, Giro 2007
A. Schleck, Simoni : 445 W Nostra Signora de la Guardi, Giro 2007
Ricco, Savoldelli, Cunego : 440 W Nostra Signora de la Guardi, Giro 2007
Klöden : 440 W, Alpe d'Huez, TDF 2006
Contador, Rasmussen : 435 W Peyresourde, TDF 2007
Menchov : 435 W Valdelinares, Vuelta 2005
Sastre : 435 W Alpe d'Huez, TDF 2006
Leipheimer : 435 W Alpe d'Huez, TDF 2006
Moreau, Evans : 430 W, Télégraphe, Dauphiné* 2007
Soler : 425 W Plateau de Beille, TDF 2007
Boogerd : 420 W Plateau de Beille, TDF 2007
(*) Dauphiné is not a Grand Tour, but that's what I found best for Evans and Moreau
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Posted on 21-03-2008 18:21
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I remember some random interview with Cecchini on youtube where he was asked who was the best rider in his opinion. He answered that one of the men he trained, Bjarne Riis (yes, the footage was old) was at 480 watts "right under the acid limit", but that Induráin in his prime would have been somewhere between 530-560.
I don't know how he knew, and being Cecchini it might be bullcrap, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Edited by issoisso on 21-03-2008 18:22
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Posted on 21-03-2008 18:43
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Robert Gesink did a 501W eralier this year
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