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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-06-2007 12:29
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I agree. but not in the usual way.
I think whoever is in best form for the Dauphine,and especially whoever digs deep there, will be burned out at the Tour. happens pretty much every year.
whoever wins the Dauphine, you can discount them at the Tour. unless of course they win on their TT skills. that's a different matter.
Yes ..goog example is A.Schleck he should be a top dog in Romandie already if we look result on Giro. Peaking a top form is quite neat stuff. Mayo was in Giro's first two weeks invisible..that all was on purpose. I belive that Rasmussen will be eather on dynamite form in TdF. Same thing is with Klöden..
Menchov ...yes he is much better that we all know. Incredible fighter with hes bad big gear. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 13:55
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Guido Mukk wrote:ndie already if we look result on Giro. Peaking a top form is quite neat stuff. Mayo was in Giro's first two weeks invisible..that all was on purpose. I belive that Rasmussen will be eather on dynamite form in TdF. Same thing is with Klöden..
Menchov ...yes he is much better that we all know. Incredible fighter with hes bad big gear.
good example on Schleck. that's exactly what I meant.
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About Astana, I've zero confidence (in the matter of doping) in them. For the saem reason, I'm sure they will win this TdF unless they are caught.
as much as I love Vino's attitude overall, I'm afraid you're probably right. just look at Kashechkin. he was at CA were there is definitely zero dopin, and where he could never follow the best climbers. not even by a long shot.
Suddenly at the Vuelta he is sparkling in the climbs (except for that one day, but that's understandable...he's thin and it was cold. never a good combination)...I don't buy it...
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-06-2007 14:02
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Same feeling here...I like both Kasahh boys and agressive tactics style. But for me Astana team isnt we fight against doping role model. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 15:54
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British guys: Geraint Thomas has said to BBC that he expects to be in Barloworld's TdF-squad. The team-manager has told him that if he can keep up the form he will definitely be in the Tour-squad. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 15:58
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CrueTrue wrote:
British guys: Geraint Thomas has said to BBC that he expects to be in Barloworld's TdF-squad. The team-manager has told him that if he can keep up the form he will definitely be in the Tour-squad.
on the topic of selections: Gusev says he's been told he'll be there.
Hammond says the same.
what do these two guys offer their teams?? none of them are great in the mountains, and none are particularly fantastic at leading the peloton for long on the flat...well...Gusev actually can, but not as well as some others on the team.
my only conclusion is...T-Mobile and Discovery are both aiming at not only the GC but also stage wins.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 05-06-2007 16:21
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Great to hopefully see Hammond at the tour! The more brits the better! |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 16:25
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I'm pretty sure Jakob Piil has been promised a spot in the TdF-squad too for T-Mobile. Don't think he will be worth anything, though. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-06-2007 16:30
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Hammond is definatley in, Cavendish might get in, the T-MO guys have said that his recent form has increased his chances a hell of a lot |
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| Boasson Hagen Jr |
Posted on 05-06-2007 16:34
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CrueTrue wrote:
About Astana, I've zero confidence (in the matter of doping) in them. For the saem reason, I'm sure they will win this TdF unless they are caught.
as much as I love Vino's attitude overall, I'm afraid you're probably right. just look at Kashechkin. he was at CA were there is definitely zero dopin, and where he could never follow the best climbers. not even by a long shot.
Suddenly at the Vuelta he is sparkling in the climbs (except for that one day, but that's understandable...he's thin and it was cold. never a good combination)...I don't buy it...
To be fair inn tdf 2005 he managed a 19th place , and the dopheads and lance were still present.. at that time he was 25 years old and still considered a young talent. One year is a long time in the cyclesport so I dont think the third place in the vuelta is suspicous at all. I am confident both my favourite riders , Kashechkin and Vino is clean. Kashechkin is a future tdf winner. |
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Posted on 05-06-2007 16:41
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And also - other than the likes of Andy Schleck, many of the top climbers did not perform brilliantly in their first grand tour |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 16:48
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We have never had a "wattages"-discussion here, but I can tell you that a normal human can - as maximum - produce 420 watts. Both Vinokourov and Kaschekhin produced much more during that Vuelta. Also, Walter Godefroot is one of their main managers at Astana. Yes, he did deny doping today, but let's not forget the fact that he was the director of the T-Mobile team which has now confessed doping in huge amounts. I don't believe them, but then again -- I don't have any proof against them. I'm sure it will come some day, though.
[Edit] Addition: Vinokourov produced 465-470 watts which is close to Ullrich (475). Again, keep in mind that the max level of a non-doped human is 420
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| DOMOMAN |
Posted on 05-06-2007 16:56
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Ullrich, who was almost subnatural in talent produced over 490 Watts over 56 kilometers on the TT in the TDF 1997.. even with Ullrich, who we can all say was above average human beeing could not have done that without help.. no wonder the nearest competitor was 3 minutes away (beating World Champion Olano with 4 minutes and Chris Boardmann with 7)  |
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| Boasson Hagen Jr |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:02
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They probably werent the only ones producing more than 420 watt?
Do you for ex know how many watts thor hushovd produces in a sprint? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:04
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You can't just pick out one stage. You have to take the average of the stages. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:18
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CrueTrue wrote:
[Edit] Addition: Vinokourov produced 465-470 watts which is close to Ullrich (475). Again, keep in mind that the max level of a non-doped human is 420
ow did they work out this max wattage. Surely it can always be bettered?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
a normal human can - as maximum - produce 420 watts.
where did you get that info? that doesn't sound right 
DOMOMAN wrote:
(beating World Champion Olano with 4 minutes and Chris Boardmann with 7)
Olano was injured and Boardman had a hormonal problem that meant he couldn't recover well from day to day. hence why he always did well in the mountains at the Dauphine but failed miserably at the Tour's mountains and TTs (other than the ones at the start). oh and it was 3:14 and 6:45. Olano actually beat Ullrich later that tour in the other TT
Edited by issoisso on 05-06-2007 17:27
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:23
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I'm not a wizzard on this subject. The information I have is based on what has been said on the Cyanide forums.
I don't know if it can be bettered, but if it can I'm sure it would not be bettered by 40-45 watts. Again, the Astana-team is producing almost as much watt as Ullrich did while he was on heavy drugs.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:24
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Crommy wrote: Surely it can always be bettered?
no doubt with better equipment, for instance, the wattage will increase.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:25
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issoisso wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
a normal human can - as maximum - produce 420 watts.
where did you get that info? that doesn't sound right
CrueTrue wrote:
(beating World Champion Olano with 4 minutes and Chris Boardmann with 7)
Olano was injured and Boardman had a hormonal problem that meant he couldn't recover well from day to day. hence why he always did well in the mountains at the Dauphine but failed miserably at the Tour's mountains and TTs (other than the ones at the start)
I didn't write the last part  Anyway, I have now asked someone who knows something about this, Aquarius, to participate in the discussion. Should clear out some things. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-06-2007 17:27
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CrueTrue wrote:
issoisso wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
a normal human can - as maximum - produce 420 watts.
where did you get that info? that doesn't sound right
CrueTrue wrote:
(beating World Champion Olano with 4 minutes and Chris Boardmann with 7)
Olano was injured and Boardman had a hormonal problem that meant he couldn't recover well from day to day. hence why he always did well in the mountains at the Dauphine but failed miserably at the Tour's mountains and TTs (other than the ones at the start)
I didn't write the last part Anyway, I have now asked someone who knows something about this, Aquarius, to participate in the discussion. Should clear out some things.
sorry, I know no other way of quoting 2 people in one post, and had a small lapse
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