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General Career Discussion - PCM 14
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| jonas3344 |
Posted on 22-06-2014 22:40
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Lachi wrote:
Why should it make the career unplayable? You cannot play like in PCM 2013 but that's not a problem as you still can play PCM 2013 if you prefer the features of PCM 13.
I understand the idea and the logic behind the feature. Look for example at this years Tour de Suisse. Certain riders have the TdF as primary goal and trained very hard. So at the start of the TdS they might lack freshness to perform well in the TdS.
Because it seems very, very random. It'd be logical if a rider has a low freshness when he's training hard, but as far as I noticed it's sometimes like this and sometimes not. That makes no sense to me.
And afaik it's not thought to the end, because it basically takes away the rider from this race, it's sometimes even not possible to join a breakaway because the endurance-bar is so low. And if you can join you have no chance to finish with the group to the end, because you're out of fuel too early. And this is not realistic. |
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| klysa93 |
Posted on 22-06-2014 22:51
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jonas3344 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
Why should it make the career unplayable? You cannot play like in PCM 2013 but that's not a problem as you still can play PCM 2013 if you prefer the features of PCM 13.
I understand the idea and the logic behind the feature. Look for example at this years Tour de Suisse. Certain riders have the TdF as primary goal and trained very hard. So at the start of the TdS they might lack freshness to perform well in the TdS.
Because it seems very, very random. It'd be logical if a rider has a low freshness when he's training hard, but as far as I noticed it's sometimes like this and sometimes not. That makes no sense to me.
And afaik it's not thought to the end, because it basically takes away the rider from this race, it's sometimes even not possible to join a breakaway because the endurance-bar is so low. And if you can join you have no chance to finish with the group to the end, because you're out of fuel too early. And this is not realistic.
When you are in hard training before youre BIG goal like TDF, than youre freshness/daily form and all is random.. When you are in youre middle of the hard training you never know before you start a stage how good/fresh you feel, and on the next stage it can be differant...
But as I said earlier, I have not tested it in the game my self, only saw there explanation and this about randon freshness in the middle of the hard training is like in real life... |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-06-2014 22:59
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@jonas3344: I think you are mixing different things.
1. Randomness
It is random on purpose. The daily form also is random. Do you think the daily form makes the career unplayable?
2. Not competitive
Yes, that's the idea behind it.
Using my example again: If a rider prepares for the Tour de France, you cannot count on him during the Tour de Suisse. Either you have to use different leaders for these two races or if you want the same rider to perform well on both races, you also have to set both races as his objectives (theoretically, we have to verify this in our careers).
Edited by Lachi on 22-06-2014 23:00
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| jonas3344 |
Posted on 22-06-2014 23:02
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Yes, that's true, but these differences are not that big like they seem to be in the game.
Your sprinter won't be able to win a sprint, even if the race is completly flat and the race is very slow. Your best climber is probably not able to go on the attack on the first mountain just a few km into the game.
That's what I meant with not playable. Once riders (not only my riders) where dropping out of the peloton after 40-50 kms. This feature would need a lot of tuning and I really doubt Cya will do that.
@lachi
Don't like the daily form either because it always goes -5 when I don't need it. 
The difference is just too much, the daily form doesn't kill your chances.
And I'm not on your side regarding the competitivness. Costa is preparing for the Tour de France and just won the TdS. Or Kreuziger finished in the Top-10. With the experiences I made this would not be possible in the game. But I have to say, I didn't test the preparation for a GT yet, just started a career and played 3 months into it.
Edited by jonas3344 on 22-06-2014 23:07
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-06-2014 23:04
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Well, that is only a worst case scenario, what you are describing.
Anyway, if you want Cya to do something about it, why don't you ask them on their forums? 
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| jonas3344 |
Posted on 22-06-2014 23:09
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, that is only a worst case scenario, what you are describing.
Anyway, if you want Cya to do something about it, why don't you ask them on their forums?
I'll do that but it's interesting to hear from other people what they think about that and what they experienced. And on the Cya-board only the French part is active and my French is, hmm, not that good. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-06-2014 23:12
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I can only repeat myself: They have done it on purpose. If you tell Contador to prepare for the Tour de France, you have to use Kreuziger to perform well in the Tour de Suisse. But if you don't like it, you can reload your career until Contador has a usable freshness in Tour de Suisse.
I have never said it is realistic (nothing is realistic in this game) but it should make the career more challenging.
Are you sure about the daily form? I think I read that Cyanide increased the impact of the daily form. And I think you are exagerating now, because a team captain can never have a form of -5 in this game.
Edited by Lachi on 22-06-2014 23:20
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| jonas3344 |
Posted on 22-06-2014 23:26
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Lachi wrote:
Are you sure about the daily form? I think I read that Cyanide increased the impact of the daily form. And I think you are exagerating now, because a team captain can never have a form of -5 in this game.
Hm, I didn't actually pay that much attention to that, it could be that it go increased for this one. I just played a TDF (not career) where in the long TT my "best" rider had a -2, but you're probably right, the two captains didn't have a -5. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-06-2014 06:29
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jonas3344 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
Why should it make the career unplayable? You cannot play like in PCM 2013 but that's not a problem as you still can play PCM 2013 if you prefer the features of PCM 13.
I understand the idea and the logic behind the feature. Look for example at this years Tour de Suisse. Certain riders have the TdF as primary goal and trained very hard. So at the start of the TdS they might lack freshness to perform well in the TdS.
Because it seems very, very random. It'd be logical if a rider has a low freshness when he's training hard, but as far as I noticed it's sometimes like this and sometimes not. That makes no sense to me.
And afaik it's not thought to the end, because it basically takes away the rider from this race, it's sometimes even not possible to join a breakaway because the endurance-bar is so low. And if you can join you have no chance to finish with the group to the end, because you're out of fuel too early. And this is not realistic.
What are you talking about is coming closer to real cycling man. I would not call that a bad feature (i advanced only two months in test career, but so far, it is not bad).
Anyway why your sprinter should be destined to win the stage and your mountain leader to attack in mountains again and again when they are in middle of preparation? If you want to win the race, prepare someone else for it in weeks in advance (he will be shite month before it, but okay for Suisse to use the examples).
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 23-06-2014 06:31
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-07-2014 09:26
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Time to revive this
Started a Rapha-Condor career with (an edited) FDB.
These are the stats in March
Team is too weak for promotion, but I need to have a good season, given that the sponsor contract runs out in 2014.
Already managed to win the Istrian prologue(Clancy peaks in March mainly for 2 prologues). Winning a Normandië stage is a goal now, but the opposition is extremely strong. Prologue was the best chance, but only got 3rd.
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| Sykkel_Freak |
Posted on 07-07-2014 22:17
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So, I got the game on Friday, and I have gotten through the first year of my Lotto - Belisol career. So far, it's the most enjoyable career I have had in any PCM-game ever! I'm playing on hard, using the PCMFocus Realname Database with carmelobymelo's stat update (edited version) and future sponsors from the PCMFocus Community Database.
The season started out very well with Debesschere winning Tour Down Under. Consisting sprinting, combined with aggressive racing in the hills made him just edge out Trentin and Oss for the win. He then followed up nicely, winning Milano - SanRemo after an attack just after Cipressa. By far my biggest win of the season! Vanendert also had a good spring season, highlighted by a win in La Fleche Wallone.
In regards to my stage racer Van den Broeck, he had a difficult spring season, not getting the best results in the World Tour. Still, he managed to win Presidental Tour of Turkey while in bad shape. The summer was fortunately a bit better. He ended 4th overall in both Tour de France and Vuelta a Espana.
Meanwhile, Greipel failed to deliver the biggests results throughout the season. I therefore decided to let him go to Giant - Shimano. Bak, Henderson, Dockx and Broeckx all left for other teams as well. In return, I got Degenkolb and Arndt from Giant - Shimano, Bakelants from OPQS and Røinås from Sparebanken Sør. This is how my team looks like:
Now I'm really looking forward to get the new season going!
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| ronny12345 |
Posted on 10-07-2014 17:26
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Help me fast!
I need a team, say some good team from pro continental and the other continetal teams (net app, bardiani). Really need a solid team!
Also i tried a quick career with net app, I never really play with teams like them, but is normal that i didn't come to any pro races (down under, Paris-Nice, tour, Giro)?
Please answer quick! Thanks
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| ronny12345 |
Posted on 10-07-2014 20:32
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ronny12345 wrote:
Help me fast!
I need a team, say some good team from pro continental and the other continetal teams (net app, bardiani). Really need a solid team!
Also i tried a quick career with net app, I never really play with teams like them, but is normal that i didn't come to any pro races (down under, Paris-Nice, tour, Giro)?
Please answer quick! Thanks
pls
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 10-07-2014 20:35
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It's your own choice in the end. I like playing with Bardiani and Cofidis.
And you need to apply for Wildcards, obviously. With a lot of Italian PCT teams(f.e.), it's hard to get for example a Tirreno wildcard with a non-Italian team, but for most races, a team like Netapp should have good chances.
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| ronny12345 |
Posted on 10-07-2014 20:37
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Jesleyh wrote:
It's your own choice in the end. I like playing with Bardiani and Cofidis.
And you need to apply for Wildcards, obviously. With a lot of Italian PCT teams(f.e.), it's hard to get for example a Tirreno wildcard with a non-Italian team, but for most races, a team like Netapp should have good chances.
Thanks
Think i'll take a pro team. But not the best team of the pro teams
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 10-07-2014 23:12
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Are there a few variants in the original DB or no variants? |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 10-07-2014 23:20
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iirc two versions of Milan San-Remo, both the Suisse WT races have a variant. Tour de France has a variant and ProTour de Benelux has a (small) variant as well.
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 11-07-2014 11:09
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
iirc two versions of Milan San-Remo, both the Suisse WT races have a variant. Tour de France has a variant and ProTour de Benelux has a (small) variant as well.
Thx, 4-5 years ago I think they had multiple variants ready for each PCM. I will wait to play career when a DB is ready to be released. |
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| Cmknudsen |
Posted on 12-07-2014 14:33
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i have a bit of problem in my career when i try to "follow attack" a rider, my riders dies in seconds, wile other riders with lower ratings are attacking away during final climbs and hills. I don't know if its because of a to high percentage of my rider(normally around 70) when i follow attack.
What can i do? its not a problem with the riders form. |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 12-07-2014 14:34
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Cmknudsen wrote:
i have a bit of problem in my career when i try to "follow attack" a rider, my riders dies in seconds, wile other riders with lower ratings are attacking away during final climbs and hills. I don't know if its because of a to high percentage of my rider(normally around 70) when i follow attack.
What can i do? its not a problem with the riders form.
I've tried it as well.
Seems really weird. Don't quite get it either. |
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