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Middle East Tour Discussion
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| The Rider |
Posted on 07-05-2014 10:09
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Two stages already, great. 
-- Bonsucro kept well out of trouble on stage 1, hardly appearing, but you don't want to waste your energies too early here.
-- Stage 2 was a great stage for us. Throughout the stage you could see our riders keeping out of trouble towards the front. Losada showed he was on a great day and comes through very quickly for second, looked like he was slightly blocked with about 150 metres to go which might have cost him victory. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 07-05-2014 10:32
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Amazing to see Herklotz winning already, that's for sure.
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 07-05-2014 12:34
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CountArach wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
And race over... Stupid ai again, why would vrecer need 4 guys to get back? And why did Poli sprint for those few stupid points?
This race could've been great, will be aweful now... Reports are good tho...
Edit: were there narrow roads near the summit? If so that always has an impact on te amount of riders dropped.
I am fairly sure there won't be narrow roads at all this season.
Could be just me, but this looks narrow, and this is where the summit has just been reached according to the report.
The first part of the road in this screen is, in my eyes, narrow, whereas the rest is a normal 2 spline road.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 07-05-2014 12:43
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I wish I'd made cio work for Herklotz now 
Great race so far, disappointing for Rodrigues though. Martinez can win if he keeps the lead, see Maillet in Tachira. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-05-2014 12:52
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Noooo 
I thought narrow roads would be avoided in the racing? I already saw a race being repeated because of that issue before. It's really frustrating to miss out on a goal because of that..
Edited by Bikex on 07-05-2014 12:53
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| cio93 |
Posted on 07-05-2014 14:33
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Well I would be sad to lose the race lead if I expected it to have it at this point, but since I didn't I'm okay with that.
Still a chance to gain it back in the next stage, although I really fancied the yellow jersey bonus of always staying in the first few positions of the bunch, especially over so many sharp hilltops as we saw today how easy it is to be on the wrong side of a gap.
Tomorrow's stage looks tailor-made for Herklotz again now that he maybe doesn't come from the first row in the bunch sprint, although the long descent should see the riders fresher for the final acceleration and not everyone will fade the stage 1 way.
But who am I to expect anything extra from this guy anymore?
Now for some reactions:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Big big congrats Cio, i know i would be shitting my pants with joy if my favourite rider does that in on of his first professional races! 
(i am still waiting for Grosu to win something).
I'm still in shock That should happen soon as well. Though I guess Sagan's gone for a while now 
cunego59 wrote:
Also big congrats, cio really nice win for Herklotz!
Thanks, now you go on to win the race!
knockout wrote:
Herklotz  brillant.
Rebecca Mir? brilliant.
Smowz wrote:
Herklotz winning - betya Cio is still smiling (resisting urge to write something cruder!)
I indeed still do, and thanks for resisting
roturn wrote:
This was an interesting start.
Herklotz...wtf...Not only being hyped. Now also delivering. Great neo season so far.
There's no way it could turn bad now, and his wage seems slightly more appropriate with these results...
CountArach wrote:
Amazing to see Herklotz winning already, that's for sure.
Thanks! 
jph27 wrote:
I wish I'd made cio work for Herklotz now
Instead, you might promote. See it that way
fjhoekie wrote:
The first part of the road in this screen is, in my eyes, narrow, whereas the rest is a normal 2 spline road.
I go out on a limb and say on the beginning of the descent at high speed, there are hardly more than 3 people side to side in any part of the peloton anyway, so the splits happening are just a normal PCM product of such a situation with the road neither aiding nor preventing this scenario.
Edited by cio93 on 07-05-2014 14:34
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-05-2014 18:19
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cio93 wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
The first part of the road in this screen is, in my eyes, narrow, whereas the rest is a normal 2 spline road.
I go out on a limb and say on the beginning of the descent at high speed, there are hardly more than 3 people side to side in any part of the peloton anyway, so the splits happening are just a normal PCM product of such a situation with the road neither aiding nor preventing this scenario.
I think narrow roads can always make a difference and mess up the gameplay, even in downhills. I bet Rodrigues lost contact in one of those narrow downhill sections, at the top my guys still were at front. Rodrigues must have dropped afterwards..
Edited by Bikex on 07-05-2014 18:19
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| jph27 |
Posted on 07-05-2014 18:46
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In all fairness, they might not be narrow roads. Only SN, the stage maker or mb can confirm that. After previous experience with them, I highly doubt they'd be included. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-05-2014 18:52
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jph27 wrote:
In all fairness, they might not be narrow roads. Only SN, the stage maker or mb can confirm that. After previous experience with them, I highly doubt they'd be included.
True, I just checked the stage file in the stage viewer. Those are only the corners that are narrow for some reason. A lot of them are. 
Two stages of Middle East make me already really hate the PCM gameplay. In the first stage a clear gap wasn't given and in the second my leader prefered to watch the pack from the back instead of fulfilling his job. |
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| 547984 |
Posted on 07-05-2014 21:22
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Again, not a bad stage for us keeping Raisin safe. Hoping the AI doesn't screw up (at least it can't possibly screw up in the TT ) in the later stages. Saw our jersey quite a bit in the photos, I'm happy with that. Also nervously checking the bottom of the table to see if any of our guys might abandon.
On the narrow roads issue -- On one hand mb has raced 10 more stages already, on another hand it's quite unfair for teams to be dealt a big blow to GC hopes already. I would be okay with whatever decision is made.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 08-05-2014 09:36
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Nice with the podium from CAS on stage 2. Hopefully that is the omen of bettet things to come for Team Live Nation...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-05-2014 06:34
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547984 wrote:
On the narrow roads issue -- On one hand mb has raced 10 more stages already, on another hand it's quite unfair for teams to be dealt a big blow to GC hopes already. I would be okay with whatever decision is made.
I would see re-race as extremely unfair and hardly anything that happened would be more unfair than that. What is done, cannot be undone. Will we re-race all the stages that were markd by fucked up AI this season?? As there is like half of them.
I demand re-race of South african HC race, because my leader was hindered by AI fuck up and did nothing for whole race...
Please reporters, no more narrow roads phobia in this season!
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 09-05-2014 06:35
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 09-05-2014 06:39
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Let's Continue the racing. Narrow roads will find a way to affect everyone and the guy did crash so the chance was raised.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 09-05-2014 06:57
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I'm not a narrow roads fan, it essentially means if your guy isn't considered a favorite then your whole team loses, while the teams with a top 3-5 favorite get 4 or 5 guys in the same time.
That said I wouldn't go back and rerace anything, just make sure to look at it going forward and avoid it.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-05-2014 10:00
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Race is postponed for now, this won't affect schedule of posting for other races.
Narrow road policy is simple. They create false gaps based on positioning - but they are fixable. So we fix them. AI gameplay decisions are an unavoidable part of the game - narrow roads are not.
Most races were fixed preseason and any that slip the net should be flagged up by reporters behind the scenes. Simple fact is that Stage 2 should never have been posted in this form. The fact that it has been posted is not suddenly going to force a change of strategy, and besides, there are more issues in later stages that needed to be fixed anyway so the race already needs partly redoing.
The nature of which stage the race restarts on is still to be considered. If a non narrow Stage 2 does not produce gaps in testing, the obvious thing to do would be keep current results but neutralise any Stage 2 gaps.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 09-05-2014 11:42
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Thanks for the update and clarification SN.
SportingNonsense wrote:
The nature of which stage the race restarts on is still to be considered. If a non narrow Stage 2 does not produce gaps in testing, the obvious thing to do would be keep current results but neutralise any Stage 2 gaps.
.... and this would seem a sensible way to proceed; the results holds, but the impact on GC is neutralised. The difficulty will be if testing does indicate gaps are to be expected (it is a fairly hilly stage after all). Sure folks impacted by the vagaries of PCM AI in any 2nd running are going to feel very aggrevied. No-win situation really.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 09-05-2014 19:01
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The nature of which stage the race restarts on is still to be considered. If a non narrow Stage 2 does not produce gaps in testing, the obvious thing to do would be keep current results but neutralise any Stage 2 gaps.
So rebuilding a savegame from after stage 2 without gaps, thus keeping the stage 1 and 2 finish order, then new reports from stage 3 on?
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 09-05-2014 19:03
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cio93 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
The nature of which stage the race restarts on is still to be considered. If a non narrow Stage 2 does not produce gaps in testing, the obvious thing to do would be keep current results but neutralise any Stage 2 gaps.
So rebuilding a savegame from after stage 2 without gaps, thus keeping the stage 1 and 2 finish order, then new reports from stage 3 on?
That's how I got it, yes. It would be great that way, fair for both sides.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 09-05-2014 20:36
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Seems a fair solution as long as GC doesnt change because dropped guys would be ahead cause thats not right either.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 09-05-2014 22:08
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Fair enough, there haven't been many implications for my team so far.
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