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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:05
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The only solution to the monuments is to x3 them...
but as many people pointed out before they are only 1 race day, which is why they are now so out of balance with the 21day GT's
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:06
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fcancellara wrote:
About the points system, it is quite crappy for a team like me, only focussing on monuments...
EDIT: Seriously? TDF polka dot jersey delivers almost 3x as much as winning a monument? 
With this system I think that in real life Omega Pharma - Quick Step would have been relegated this season, even with their amazing results in the classics...
Yeah, the points system is crap for teams like ours. TMM said that he didn't want to do something about it though 
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:06
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TheManxMissile wrote:
The only solution to the monuments is to x3 them...
but as many people pointed out before they are only 1 race day, which is why they are now so out of balance with the 21day GT's
Why not base the points system on the one used by the UCI irl? Or the one used by PCM?
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:10
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Got no problem with x3-ing(or x2 if you can live with that better). Also in real-life, you get a lot of points for monuments, even though they're just one-day. If you ask a random cyclist: Do you prefer to win Tour of Beijing or Milan - San Remo. I think I know what most guys want... 
@Canc Well, I think that would unbalance the CT<-> WT system we have at this custom game.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:13
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Manx, I think the best way to do this is to use a table (like the one I posted earlier). It gives you a better overview then lists. Then just use your best judgment to compare and decide which is worth more then others. 
And am I the only one who think higher results (wins and podium) should get higher points?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:14
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Maybe we should just wait and see how the first season turns out  if it doesn't really work as it should, it could be changed for the second season |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:15
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mvhoogdalem wrote:
Maybe we should just wait and see how the first season turns out if it doesn't really work as it should, it could be changed for the second season
What if Motorex and I relegate because of the point system? 
No, I think it's easier to change things now, since we didn't start yet.
Edited by Jesleyh on 29-01-2013 20:15
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| ste_18 |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:17
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Jesleyh wrote:
mvhoogdalem wrote:
Maybe we should just wait and see how the first season turns out if it doesn't really work as it should, it could be changed for the second season
What if Motorex and I relegate because of the point system?
No, I think it's easier to change things now, since we didn't start yet.
Yeah, if there is something wrong we have to talk about it before the start... |
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:19
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Jesleyh wrote:
mvhoogdalem wrote:
Maybe we should just wait and see how the first season turns out if it doesn't really work as it should, it could be changed for the second season
What if Motorex and I relegate because of the point system?
No, I think it's easier to change things now, since we didn't start yet.
The problem though is that when you upgrade monuments that GT-teams will start to moan that GTs don't give enough points |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:24
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Jesleyh wrote:
What if Motorex and I relegate because of the point system?
I think both you and fcancellara are underestimating the quality of your teams.
Motorex has Gesink. Should easily get a GT t10 and lots of other top stage race results
ING has Voeckler, F.Schleck and Quintana who can all win KoM's and even steal GT t10's
The real teams who are in trouble because of this system are:
Maybe CC Cafe and In-n-Out, both relying on 2 riders to win Jerseys and are unlikely to steal top gc results
SGL who are solely relying on sprinters, which in PCM we all know is unpredictable
Pure Black who are relying on 2 riders, one of who is a sprinter, the other is old
Lunar who's best GC rider is Leipheimer and other wise on sprints and stage wins...
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:28
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But if the point system was like this before, there wouldn't be sprint- or classics-based teams, because GT-based teams have a clear advantage in scoring points.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:32
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Well, ok, maybe we won't relegate, but it will for sure cost plenty of points.
And be honest, the monuments are (also in real-life) just a very important part of the calendar. Many riders are aiming for them, and guys like Boonen, Gilbert, Gasparotto, Pozatto, Albasini, are just worth less than they are worth normally with this system.
At least x 1,5 or x2 the current ranking. A GT top 3 would still be worth waaay more, so the GT focused teams can't complain
Edit: + Cancellara's point
Edited by Jesleyh on 29-01-2013 20:33
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| juszta |
Posted on 29-01-2013 20:56
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Just accept the rules and get the game going! ( Okay, I have a Stage race oriented team, but still...) |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:16
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Another idea would be that TMM gets his rank system going, I keep track of my rank system, and fcancellara uses the UCI or PCM one. After the Giro or something we can discuss pros and cons of each and decide which one is best?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:16
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juszta wrote:
Just accept the rules and get the game going! ( Okay, I have a Stage race oriented team, but still...)
No, I think monument-orientated teams should have similair chances as GT-orientated teams. They don't have them with this system
And we have to wait till everyone sent in his startlist, so we can't start anyway 
@Ollfardh Not a very bad idea, but we will argue 20 times more than we do now, since everyone wants the ranking where they are ranked the highest...
Edited by Jesleyh on 29-01-2013 21:18
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:21
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But lets say you win all the monuments, you'll get 15000 points in 5 race days and winner GC TdF gets 15000 points in 21 race days, so it is always unfair |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:23
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i'm in favour of oldfardhs suggestion of people running their own systems, then comparing them at various points.
Mostly because i'm not spending another few hours/half a day re-doing the entire WT+CT systems.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:26
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@mvhoogdalem Disagree. The chance that a team wins all the monuments is way smaller than a team winning a GT(TdF in this case)
I mean, look at how hard(not hard) it is to get 2 or 3 GC Top 10s. And then look how many monument wins you have to get for that amount of points. Unfair, isn't it?
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:29
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I see your point, it was only an example
Although it will be pretty hard to top 10 2 GC's as almost all GC riders are at different teams |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2013 21:30
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@TMM nah. X2 the monument(and maybe the other one-day races) and you're done. It won't affect the other point rankings too much.
@Mv A top 10 at every GT(not unrealistic for 13/16 WT teams) and you even got three?
Edited by Jesleyh on 29-01-2013 21:32
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